Yakezie.com - Topic: My PR3 went down to zero! https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/ Simple:Press Version 4.5.1 Invest It Wisely on My PR3 went down to zero! https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-6/#p74909 Bloggers Lair https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-6/#p74909 From the other thread, you know where I stand. :)

 

I'm curious how this will affect things down the line. I think at some point you have to assume that Google gets as smart as a human in figuring out the "proper value" of a link. That is, they are able to semantically parse the context of a link and assess its value much the same as a human would.

I don't think this is so far-fetched BTW. This is Google's goal and they're getting closer with each update. Keeping search engine results relevant is how they stay popular with end users.

What does this mean for those that continue to sell links that pass page rank? I could see two alternatives:

  • Once Google is smart enough to assess the value of a link, it no longer cares whether it's paid or not. If the link is not very relevant, it's not worth much in Google's eyes, and therefore these links will command less market value.
  • Google uses the vast amount of information at its disposal to correlate paid text link campaigns, and is able to harshly punish these links.
It's kind of scary that one company can affect the fortunes of so many, but in the end keep in mind that links only have market value because Google created the market with an algorithm that could be gamed. If Google did not have such a big portion of search traffic, would passing PageRank matter so much? Think about what you're asking for when you're demanding to have your PageRank back -- it's not yours, and it never was. It's what Google thinks about you, and so long as you play on their turf you have to play by their rules.
Maybe this is a good signal to diversify. :)
]]> Sat, 07 Apr 2012 07:57:44 +0000 maria@moneyprinciple on My PR3 went down to zero! https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-6/#p74894 Bloggers Lair https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-6/#p74894 SPF, for what it is worth, I agreed with your message whole heartedly. Whilst my heart goes to all who lost so much with a click of a button (somewhere) I have always believed that when a rule is in the way one shouldn't break it but change it.

 

I am reluctant to take part because, frankly, my experience of all this is so limited that I don't think I have much practical usefulness to contribute; in fact I am one of those that may need quite a lot of supprt to figure the monetising game out. Apart from that, this was a case where having law PR was no so bad really: it was not changed and we shall see what will happen in the future. It looks like my site is doing OK if I am to judge by trafic and approaches by advertiser.

 

I will make the rules under which I do advertising much stricter though and see what happens. Sometime, having strong believes and standing by these is not such a bad idea.

 

Maria

]]> Sat, 07 Apr 2012 02:46:46 +0000 Sustainable PF on My PR3 went down to zero! https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-6/#p74876 Bloggers Lair https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-6/#p74876 Cents To Save said:

Back to the zero club for me.  :(

Could just be an update.  If no PR after 3 days, likely trouble. (that is my measuring stick)

Please drop me an email if you need someone to talk to.  I'm dealing with this mess and am happy to share hope :)

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On another note - glad some other folks agree. Things got quiet after I posted my thoughts. But I do stand by them.

Our site has dramatically reduced our dofollow links.  The advertisers have appreciated my candidness and honesty.  I learned things I don't think I would have learned has I not opened a discussion with the SPF Partners.  I am wiser for the experience (and it isn't over, so i'll learn more!)

]]> Fri, 06 Apr 2012 20:05:24 +0000 Cents To Save on My PR3 went down to zero! https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-6/#p74875 Bloggers Lair https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-6/#p74875 Back to the zero club for me.  :(

]]> Fri, 06 Apr 2012 19:31:52 +0000 TightFistedMiser on My PR3 went down to zero! https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-6/#p74852 Bloggers Lair https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-6/#p74852 I know that some advertisers have requested that their ads now be made nofollow.  I would hope that anyone changing links to nofollow is doing so at the advertiser's request or with their permission.

]]> Fri, 06 Apr 2012 13:24:58 +0000 Finance Fox.ca on My PR3 went down to zero! https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-6/#p74761 Bloggers Lair https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-6/#p74761 Well said SPF. I totally agree with you, and you raise a very valid point.

Making a deal with an advertiser is a legal agreement, they will pay "X" amount for a certain period. One is obligated to fulfill that agreement whether punished or not by Google.

]]> Thu, 05 Apr 2012 12:12:52 +0000 Sustainable PF on My PR3 went down to zero! https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-5/#p73743 Bloggers Lair https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-5/#p73743 nofollowing ads where the expectation was that the ads were dofollow could well end up with legal ramifications. If you made a deal and the deal was reviewed and payment was made changing said deal after the fact could be problematic.

Beside the moral/ethical question of changing the terms of an agreement w/o permission from the 2nd party it sure isn't "Yakezie like" to do such a thing IMO.  If you made a deal you should stick to it. 

Congratulating people who recovered their PR using under-handed or sneaky methods doesn't seem quite right to me.

]]> Mon, 26 Mar 2012 06:04:01 +0000 insurancedoesmatter on My PR3 went down to zero! https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-5/#p73734 Bloggers Lair https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-5/#p73734 wow, that was very quick, very well done:)

]]> Mon, 26 Mar 2012 02:45:08 +0000 Tushar @ Everything Finance on My PR3 went down to zero! https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-5/#p73684 Bloggers Lair https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-5/#p73684 My PR had gone down from 4 to 3. 

So like SB @OneCentAtATime I no-followed a few links and sent a reconsideration request. Google came back saying that the manual action penalty that was done has now been revoked and my PR has gone back to 4. 

If you guys have any questions feel free to email me at tusharm@gmail.com. 

]]> Sun, 25 Mar 2012 07:13:32 +0000 Jonnypean on My PR3 went down to zero! https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-5/#p73567 Bloggers Lair https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-5/#p73567 Eric - NarrowBridge.net said:

Sometimes Google just does this and it comes back in a few days, weeks, etc. Other times the big G is giving you the smack down for breaking the rules. Do you sell lots of text links?

@ Lisa sometimes Google dance with page ranks..

 

I checked my pr in many tools some showing 4 and some are 0, I am a bit confused too.

 

There is nothing to worry about..

 

Cheers!!

]]> Fri, 23 Mar 2012 11:24:08 +0000 MoneyIsTheRoot on My PR3 went down to zero! https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-5/#p73564 Bloggers Lair https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-5/#p73564 OneCentAtatime said:

Invest It Wisely said:

OneCentAtatime said:

took some action sent reconsideration request and it came back. Don't want to think much.

Congrats! What did you need to do?

No followed a few links

Please email me back on which ones they were...

]]> Fri, 23 Mar 2012 10:28:28 +0000 OneCentAtatime on My PR3 went down to zero! https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-5/#p73547 Bloggers Lair https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-5/#p73547 Invest It Wisely said:

OneCentAtatime said:

took some action sent reconsideration request and it came back. Don't want to think much.

Congrats! What did you need to do?

No followed a few links

]]> Fri, 23 Mar 2012 08:25:47 +0000 Nick on My PR3 went down to zero! https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-5/#p73535 Bloggers Lair https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-5/#p73535 OneCentAtatime said:

took some action sent reconsideration request and it came back. Don't want to think much.

Very cool.  Congratulations.

]]> Fri, 23 Mar 2012 07:12:07 +0000 Invest It Wisely on My PR3 went down to zero! https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-5/#p73533 Bloggers Lair https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-5/#p73533 OneCentAtatime said:

took some action sent reconsideration request and it came back. Don't want to think much.

Congrats! What did you need to do?

]]> Fri, 23 Mar 2012 06:41:05 +0000 seedebtrun on My PR3 went down to zero! https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-5/#p73519 Bloggers Lair https://yakezie.com/forums/bloggers-lair/my-pr3-went-down-to-zero/page-5/#p73519 Great info folks..

Its interesting to see the curious google-y landscape that everyone has to navigate.

 

Looking forward to getting our first page rank.

Whenever that happens.

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