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3:22 pm September 21, 2011
| Suba @ Wealth Informatics
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First thanks a LOT for your time and any feedback you can provide.
I could really use some help here. As I have mentioned before my referral and direct traffic is quite pathetic. I am not sure how to improve them and I think it is crucial for me to know if I am making any fundamental mistakes. I want to know if you find my blog off putting or something like that. May be it is my writing or the topics or design or anything.. I would like to know how I can improve it. For example, I know from a few other bloggers Plutus award voting brought quite a bit of referral traffic, for me it brought close to nothing and the interest.co.nz round up this month they have included me 4 times but that brought in 19 people altogether. What am I missing? I would love some criticism so that I can work on it.
1) Your writing sucks : This could be a good reason for not having regular/referral traffic.
2) You don't comment much elsewhere
3) Topics not interesting enough to bring back people
4) Too boring/long posts
5) Design problem with blog
6) Not intuitive
7) Any other criticism – positive, negative, neutral… whatever you can throw at me, I am ready to take…
Thanks a lot!
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3:51 pm September 21, 2011
| Hunter @financiallyc
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Hi Suba,
I love your blog. I appreciate the depth of research, the quality of writing, and the accuracy of information. I relate to it personally too, I was an informatics major for a few years.
It might be worth testing some design ideas? My articles with above the fold graphics / photos always get more attention.
I know you publish 2-3 great articles per week. Maybe try breaking up the longer articles into a series so that you are publishing new material daily?
The only other thing I would try is narrowing the center column. I think it improves readability.
I know you won't take these ideas the wrong way. I would do anything to help, and I know everyone will have different ideas than mine. When I have opened up my site for help like this, I learned the most from the honest responses.
I think your blog rocks.
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4:17 pm September 21, 2011
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I love your posts, Suba, and I get a lot out of them. Your site is also well-designed and easy to navigate, so no problems there. I think the issue is that I don't run across your blog that often – I mean, I'm a subscriber, so I get your posts in my reader, but I don't see the things that would remind people to check in more often. Comments on other blogs, maybe a little Twitter action… If I didn't know you through Yakezie, I don't know how I would come across your site.
I think a stronger social networking presence would go a long way. But I'm also aware how much time it takes to maintain that stuff! Twitter has turned into a huge source of referrals for me. At first I didn't get much out of it, but I was just posting links to my posts and an occasional retweet for someone else. Now I spend time on there just talking to people and being goofy, and it has paid off.
Maybe host an awesome giveaway or post something REALLY personal/controversial… Sounds kind of silly but if traffic is your goal…
Sometimes it's the silly stuff that brings people in. I had 137 visits from a mention on interest.co.nz, and of course it wasn't one of the posts I was super proud of. It was an idiotic post about Victoria's Secret credit cards, of all things! So maybe you should consider something related to boobs… ;)
I feel like I'm not being helpful at all, but I promise I'm trying to be. The excellent content is there; it's just a matter of getting people to go read it.
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6:06 pm September 21, 2011
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Suba, it sounds like you have the opposite problem that I have (I have low se traffic, high referral). I think you offer a lot of great things like quality information, as a couple in this thread have already mentioned. I may not be the most seasoned here, but here are my thoughts:
What has helped me get a lot of referral traffic is social networking and commenting like crazy. You might want to give this a try (I am not sure how much you are doing this).
Also, I may be completely off on this, but when I look at your logo, I absolutely love your "money tree" but I think the font of "wealth informatics" doesn't exactly fit. I think it seems informal. When I think of money and/or information, I think of order and discipline and the cursive font doesn't communicate this (to me at least). Maybe a new logo would help, but that's just my initial reaction.
Overall, I think you do a lot things right. I especially like your collection of finance carnivals on your other site. It is a great resource and I come back to it from time to time. Maybe try to come up with something similar to offer (I am trying to come up with a re-usable resource myself, but am still scratching my head).
I hope that helps…
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6:23 pm September 21, 2011
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sooverdebt said:
So maybe you should consider something related to boobs… ;)
Now that's obsession
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6:24 pm September 21, 2011
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Suba may I ask in public, whats your traffic number?
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6:42 pm September 21, 2011
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Post edited 7:08 pm – September 21, 2011 by Sustainable PF
Suba, please take anything I say as my being super fond of you and the site.
I was given some advice from Canadian bloggers I consider "big guys" (as in 2500 RSS is the lowest of the bunch).
One thing they told me when I asked for help was that my long articles (I write some long ones too – not as long as your 2500 word wonders, but 1500 words is regular for me) had paragraphs that were too lengthy – that a lot of people are so used to seeing 2-3 sentence "paragraphs" and anything longer loses their interest. Bloggers try to absorb mass information quickly and putting real effort into reading quality – like what you write – doesn't always work.
I have no idea how you handle commenting but one thing I learned is I had to pick and choose – some strategy – as to where I put my commenting efforts. Some sites were driving a lot more traffic to mine, and, when I got "known" to those bloggers they tended to include me in roundups. For example, Frugal Trader @ Million Dollar Journey – a top Canuck blogger, links to some of our tips (seemingly randomly!) and we get hundreds of hits on those when he does.
Which brings me to round up. Do you do one regularly? I found when I did the weekly roundups of my fav articles it "bought" me a lot of exposure to bloggers in and out of Yakezie.
I've also been told, recently, that losing the anonymity would help us personalize our site and built trust. When a guy with 100k+ page views a month imparts this advice we need to strongly consider it.
Just some thoughts … hope you find some miniscule value in them.
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3:38 am September 22, 2011
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Suba, I simply think your blog rocks. But maybe hire a developer to make a nice looking, clean template. I really like Hunter's template, because of the simplicity (but also the beauty). And try breaking your posts down a little. I read somewhere that readers tend to get put off after 1000 words or so.
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4:47 am September 22, 2011
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One of the things I do regularly (or at least try to) is if I see another PF blogger leave a comment or two that I don't recognize, I'll click back to them. Often times this builds a relationship. On the same token, if I continuously leave comments on a blog that I really enjoy, but never once see a return comment, I might sort of drift away. Once you build those relationships, you'll see more inclusions in roundups, which aren't a huge source of traffic in most cases, but every now and then it does help. And it builds momentum.
I would also try to shorten post lengths a little bit. People reading blogs have short attention spans and long articles, as great as they are, can exceed what time someone reading is willing to put in. You write great, but I think others suggested splitting some of your articles into shorter posts.
Do you submit to carnivals regularly?
I have no complaints about the look of your site. It's actually one of my favorite looking sites I visit. Very clean, bright, and easy to navigate.
Experiment. Often when I write something that I think my readers will hate or pass right by, it gets the most comments and linkbacks of all my posts. Conversely, something that I think is a 'can't miss' post that will surely 'rock the blogging world' gets crickets. You never know what's going to hit.
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7:08 am September 22, 2011
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I really like the way your site looks and find your articles informative and interesting. What percentage do you consider low for your referral and direct traffic? Do you have a lot of referrers, but a low percentage compared to search engine traffic? It could just be that you are getting a lot of search engine visitors, which makes the other percentage low. What about subscribers? Are you happy with those numbers? I guess what I'm saying is that it could be there is nothing "wrong" — it just depends on what your goals are.
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8:04 am September 22, 2011
| Suba @ Wealth Informatics
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THANKS a lot for the feedback guys! It is much more than I hoped for. Thanks!!!
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8:09 am September 22, 2011
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Jackie said:
I really like the way your site looks and find your articles informative and interesting. What percentage do you consider low for your referral and direct traffic? Do you have a lot of referrers, but a low percentage compared to search engine traffic? It could just be that you are getting a lot of search engine visitors, which makes the other percentage low. What about subscribers? Are you happy with those numbers? I guess what I'm saying is that it could be there is nothing "wrong" — it just depends on what your goals are.
Thanks, Jackie. I don't have a lot of referrers/direct traffic. Even for the same mention (the interest.co.nz) I don't get as much as other people do, so I was curious. I am not sure what is low, I am generally comparing myself with the little-older-than-one-year sites. I have subscriber numbers in the 200s. And I get <100 visits from direct/referral source. Again, I don't know what is normal, but it is def. nothing to write about. So I have to change things and try to give the same thing in a more interesting and digestible package I guess.
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8:14 am September 22, 2011
| Suba @ Wealth Informatics
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moneybeagle said:
One of the things I do regularly (or at least try to) is if I see another PF blogger leave a comment or two that I don't recognize, I'll click back to them. Often times this builds a relationship. On the same token, if I continuously leave comments on a blog that I really enjoy, but never once see a return comment, I might sort of drift away. Once you build those relationships, you'll see more inclusions in roundups, which aren't a huge source of traffic in most cases, but every now and then it does help. And it builds momentum.
I would also try to shorten post lengths a little bit. People reading blogs have short attention spans and long articles, as great as they are, can exceed what time someone reading is willing to put in. You write great, but I think others suggested splitting some of your articles into shorter posts.
Do you submit to carnivals regularly?
I have no complaints about the look of your site. It's actually one of my favorite looking sites I visit. Very clean, bright, and easy to navigate.
Experiment. Often when I write something that I think my readers will hate or pass right by, it gets the most comments and linkbacks of all my posts. Conversely, something that I think is a 'can't miss' post that will surely 'rock the blogging world' gets crickets. You never know what's going to hit.
I have to most certainly concentrate on commenting. The problem for me is as I have mentioned before English is not my first language and the post that gets published are 7/8th revisions. [For example, today's post was drafted first in May!] Also when I want to comment, I really want to add something to the conversation and make it meaningful. Both of them put together, I take 15-20 minutes to write a comment. Pathetic. I know, but right now that is how long I take. I reread it a few times to check for spelling/grammar mistakes.. I have spent a good half an hr on one comment. It was really a time consuming effort for me. That is why I decided to between reading 50-75 blogs a day vs reading 10 blogs+commenting. I will have to work on faster commenting.
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8:16 am September 22, 2011
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Tony Chou @ Investorz' Blog said:
Suba, I simply think your blog rocks. But maybe hire a developer to make a nice looking, clean template. I really like Hunter's template, because of the simplicity (but also the beauty). And try breaking your posts down a little. I read somewhere that readers tend to get put off after 1000 words or so.
I thought I made it as simple as possible. But I will certainly look into it Tony. I tried to make it as fast as I could make and that was the trade off when I spoke to a few designers. I didn't want the site to slow down, I will look for someone who can make it better and faster too. Thanks.
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8:22 am September 22, 2011
| Suba @ Wealth Informatics
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Sustainable PF said:
Suba, please take anything I say as my being super fond of you and the site.
I was given some advice from Canadian bloggers I consider "big guys" (as in 2500 RSS is the lowest of the bunch).
One thing they told me when I asked for help was that my long articles (I write some long ones too – not as long as your 2500 word wonders, but 1500 words is regular for me) had paragraphs that were too lengthy – that a lot of people are so used to seeing 2-3 sentence "paragraphs" and anything longer loses their interest. Bloggers try to absorb mass information quickly and putting real effort into reading quality – like what you write – doesn't always work.
I have no idea how you handle commenting but one thing I learned is I had to pick and choose – some strategy – as to where I put my commenting efforts. Some sites were driving a lot more traffic to mine, and, when I got "known" to those bloggers they tended to include me in roundups. For example, Frugal Trader @ Million Dollar Journey – a top Canuck blogger, links to some of our tips (seemingly randomly!) and we get hundreds of hits on those when he does.
Which brings me to round up. Do you do one regularly? I found when I did the weekly roundups of my fav articles it "bought" me a lot of exposure to bloggers in and out of Yakezie.
I've also been told, recently, that losing the anonymity would help us personalize our site and built trust. When a guy with 100k+ page views a month imparts this advice we need to strongly consider it.
Just some thoughts … hope you find some miniscule value in them.
I won't take it wrong SPF. I needed the feedback and it is very valuable to me. I will def. start splitting my posts into smaller paragraphs. That is a great suggestion! Thanks!!
As I mentioned in my reply to Money Beagle, I don't have a strategy for comment right now. Commenting takes me almost 30 mins. for one comment :( I can see how the bloggers I admire will never know I exist. That is something I should really work on. May be I will come up with a schedule for commenting.
I don't do round ups. I used to, but as I write only 2-3 articles a week I thought 1 round up for every 2 regular article was too much and I stopped doing that. May be I will start a monthly round up. I could spend more time on that and make it more thoughtful too like you and Len do.
Thanks a lot for the feedback. I really appreciate it!
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8:30 am September 22, 2011
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20sfinances said:
Suba, it sounds like you have the opposite problem that I have (I have low se traffic, high referral). I think you offer a lot of great things like quality information, as a couple in this thread have already mentioned. I may not be the most seasoned here, but here are my thoughts:
What has helped me get a lot of referral traffic is social networking and commenting like crazy. You might want to give this a try (I am not sure how much you are doing this).
Also, I may be completely off on this, but when I look at your logo, I absolutely love your "money tree" but I think the font of "wealth informatics" doesn't exactly fit. I think it seems informal. When I think of money and/or information, I think of order and discipline and the cursive font doesn't communicate this (to me at least). Maybe a new logo would help, but that's just my initial reaction.
Overall, I think you do a lot things right. I especially like your collection of finance carnivals on your other site. It is a great resource and I come back to it from time to time. Maybe try to come up with something similar to offer (I am trying to come up with a re-usable resource myself, but am still scratching my head).
I hope that helps…
The grass is always greener on the other side :) I will concentrate more on social media and commenting. I put that font to make it a little more different than the regular/standard fonts. But I can see how the cursive font can over do it. I am in the middle of the resources project. I am also writing an ebook (for a very long time). I will have to work faster on those and get them out.
Thanks for the feedback!
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8:48 am September 22, 2011
| OneCentAtatime
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I was a member of problogger community for a month (i didn't renewed afterwards). There are professional blog critiques out there. After a couple of sitting, you will get a whole new perspective in to the required improvement.
From getting better looking sites to better writing and better better SEO pro can help in all the aspects.
I even came across a blogger there who changed his blog domain from 'monetization' to 'Guest posting' after discussing with the critique. (as per him the sessions costed almost $1000 in total) Now he only writes about guest posting, and became a market leader in his blog domain.
All the above suggestions are very good, but a pro is a pro after all. I am suggesting this even after knowing that my blog is no where in terms of traffic. Getting 150 visitors a day from among a few millions of internet visitors is not even a small traffic, its minuscule traffic.
I will take professional guidance at some point of time, as of now, I don't know for how long I can go on writing regularly.
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9:02 am September 22, 2011
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Suba, I too love your blog. You always pick really interesting topics to write about so for content I think you are good. Length though like others have said may be a bit long.
I also agree that you could try some different desigins a bit. I find people like the most simpilest layouts with the least clutter. Buck Inspire's is really nice.
Commenting too would help. Even just try to return the favour for the first while. For every blog that comments on your site, head over and comment on theirs. This can really help.
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9:08 am September 22, 2011
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Hi Suba,
I love your site too. Your posts are always great, but they are usually pretty long right? Maybe you can write 500-700 words posts 1-2 times a week and see what happens. Also, 100 referral+direct per day isn't that bad. Perhaps your SE traffic is just so big that it overshadow those other sources?
Commenting a lot will definitely help with the referral numbers.
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9:44 am September 22, 2011
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sooverdebt said:
I love your posts, Suba, and I get a lot out of them. Your site is also well-designed and easy to navigate, so no problems there. I think the issue is that I don't run across your blog that often – I mean, I'm a subscriber, so I get your posts in my reader, but I don't see the things that would remind people to check in more often. Comments on other blogs, maybe a little Twitter action… If I didn't know you through Yakezie, I don't know how I would come across your site.
I think a stronger social networking presence would go a long way. But I'm also aware how much time it takes to maintain that stuff! Twitter has turned into a huge source of referrals for me. At first I didn't get much out of it, but I was just posting links to my posts and an occasional retweet for someone else. Now I spend time on there just talking to people and being goofy, and it has paid off.
Maybe host an awesome giveaway or post something REALLY personal/controversial… Sounds kind of silly but if traffic is your goal…
Sometimes it's the silly stuff that brings people in. I had 137 visits from a mention on interest.co.nz, and of course it wasn't one of the posts I was super proud of. It was an idiotic post about Victoria's Secret credit cards, of all things! So maybe you should consider something related to boobs… ;)
I feel like I'm not being helpful at all, but I promise I'm trying to be. The excellent content is there; it's just a matter of getting people to go read it.
I don't get twitter :( I will HAVE to learn it to use it properly. And I do write a lot about boobs and estrogen ;) just not in this blog. May be I should cross pollinate a bit lol. I see what you mean by being more active on social media. I will make effort to actually talk to people on twitter instead of being a passive stalker. Thanks Andrea!
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