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5:28 am
March 21, 2012
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Matt76Allen
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I've Googled and read a few articles on this topic, but I am still a little confused.
They say that NoFollow links (or ads) on your site will be better for PageRank.
Advertisers use PageRank to determine whether they want to advertise on your site or not.
Advertisers want their links (or ads) to be DoFollow.
Am I understanding this right? Seems confusingly hypocritical to me.
I know how to make a link NoFollow, but I've never gone through the trouble. I just don't care about that stuff. Can somebody please give me some clarification?
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7:29 am
March 21, 2012
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jonrhodesuk
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Advertisers would prefer to get do follow links when given the choice because they will get a boost in the search engines. However if you are selling links you would not want to do this as you might be penalised from Google for selling page rank.
Advertisers will still buy no follow link though, especially on a high traffic site, because they will still be getting lots of exposure, and direct traffic through the link, so this is often, but not always, what happens.
It is a bit of a confusion, but I hope I've helped clear it up a little?
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9:45 am
March 21, 2012
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Modest Money
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Yes it is a double standard type situation. Basically Google got mad that so many sites were selling text links to help people unnaturally influence their search engine rankings. So they introduced the nofollow attribute and started penalizing buyers and sellers of text link ads. In essence they forced those link buyers to advertise on search engines instead. Still, many people on both sides are taking the risk of buying and selling text links. Some get away with it and others get penalized. So it is the chance you take when you buy or sell dofollow text links.
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5:51 pm
March 21, 2012
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OneCentAtatime
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Well, I am no more confused! If you are buying ads directly you're killing google business. a business would have to shell out 1000's of dollars to participate in adwords and to get clicks.
They have other option to buy links to become natural first page entrant and get clicks, plus additional clicks from sites they get links from. It only takes fraction of adwords money.
And G hates it!!! They need you to nofollow to get their business going.
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10:29 pm
March 21, 2012
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Dividend Ninja
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Modest Money said:
Yes it is a double standard type situation. Basically Google got mad that so many sites were selling text links to help people unnaturally influence their search engine rankings. So they introduced the nofollow attribute and started penalizing buyers and sellers of text link ads. In essence they forced those link buyers to advertise on search engines instead. Still, many people on both sides are taking the risk of buying and selling text links. Some get away with it and others get penalized. So it is the chance you take when you buy or sell dofollow text links.
Modest Money, this is an incorrect statement. Follow and NoFollow are basic link attributes that were introduced years ago under the W3C standards (www.w3c.org). These are the guys who actually design and set the standards for html.
Google doesnot care if you use NoFollow or Follow links, it makes no difference to them, and just becuase you use a follow link doesn't mean they will follow the link at all. Their alogrithm is too smart for that – otherwise everyone and their dog would have all their links to follow.
Also understand that if you are selling text-links, it makes NO difference if you use follow or nofollow attribute in links. If the link is to a banned or black-listed site, then you run the risk of being penalized. Do not fall under the assumption a nofollow link attribute will protect you in this case, as many have recently assumed.
Cheers! 
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10:35 pm
March 21, 2012
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Dividend Ninja
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Matt76Allen, that is essentially correct.
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10:39 pm
March 21, 2012
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Van Beek
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Dividend Ninja said:
Also understand that if you are selling text-links, it makes NO difference if you use follow or nofollow attribute in links. If the link is to a banned or black-listed site, then you run the risk of being penalized. Do not fall under the assumption a nofollow link attribute will protect you in this case, as many have recently assumed.
1) Any idea if there is a place where you can check which sites are banned or black-listed?
2) When selling do-follow ad-text links, are there are tricks, tips, guidelines or whatsoever on what you can do (where to place them; in what context to place them, etc.) to lower the possibility that Google will penalize your page rank for it?
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4:07 am
March 22, 2012
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Matt76Allen
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OK, so if it's a Google thing, wouldn't Google also discourage users of Blogger from placing private ads on their blogs?
If so, this would clarify for me why so many people choose to use Wordpress and self-host.
Thanks everybody for clearing this up some. It is still confusing, but now I have more insight.
I'm going to just keep doing what I've been doing and never make links no-follow. Too much hassle and I really don't care that much about what it does for my PageRank.
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11:43 am
March 22, 2012
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Dividend Ninja
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Van Beek @ Stock Trend Investing said:
Dividend Ninja said:
Also understand that if you are selling text-links, it makes NO difference if you use follow or nofollow attribute in links. If the link is to a banned or black-listed site, then you run the risk of being penalized. Do not fall under the assumption a nofollow link attribute will protect you in this case, as many have recently assumed.
1) Any idea if there is a place where you can check which sites are banned or black-listed?
2) When selling do-follow ad-text links, are there are tricks, tips, guidelines or whatsoever on what you can do (where to place them; in what context to place them, etc.) to lower the possibility that Google will penalize your page rank for it?
1. Google is not going to give you that information – LOL.
2. As I said if Google sees the link they see the link, end of story. Sidebars and Footers are the worst spots – those are big red flag areas. And if Google happens to spider a post with the link then so be it.. that is the risk you take.
Consider the Home Page is the highest indexed page by search bots. That's why advertisers want to have home-page-only links. For the second time, It doesn't make a rat's difference if you use nofollow or follow – Google will see the link and penalize you accordingly if its a blacklisted link.
Only advertisers care about the follow attribute. Advertisers also don't care about your blog! All they want is the PR ranking. If it dries up they just move onto another blog.
People, there is no possible way to out think or outsmart Google! I've seen people try since day one Google came on the scene – trying all the SEO tricks in the book. Google catches onto things quickly – especially if we are posting it here publicly and sending messages to each other on gmail (who do you think owns gmail?).
Cheers
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1:14 pm
March 22, 2012
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Modest Money
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Sorry Dividend Ninja, but I have to argue with you a bit. Blacklisted sites aside, Google DOES care if a link is nofollow or dofollow. Refer to this link: http://support.google.com/webm…..swer=66736
It basically says that a paid link violates their guidelines if it does not have a nofollow attribute.
And yes people do outsmart Google all the time…they're called SEO pros. As long as rankings are determined by a computer algorithm, people will find a way to exploit it.
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1:34 pm
March 22, 2012
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OneCentAtatime
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Dividend Ninja said:
Modest Money said:
Yes it is a double standard type situation. Basically Google got mad that so many sites were selling text links to help people unnaturally influence their search engine rankings. So they introduced the nofollow attribute and started penalizing buyers and sellers of text link ads. In essence they forced those link buyers to advertise on search engines instead. Still, many people on both sides are taking the risk of buying and selling text links. Some get away with it and others get penalized. So it is the chance you take when you buy or sell dofollow text links.
Modest Money, this is an incorrect statement. Follow and NoFollow are basic link attributes that were introduced years ago under the W3C standards (www.w3c.org). These are the guys who actually design and set the standards for html.
Google doesnot care if you use NoFollow or Follow links, it makes no difference to them, and just becuase you use a follow link doesn't mean they will follow the link at all. Their alogrithm is too smart for that – otherwise everyone and their dog would have all their links to follow.
Also understand that if you are selling text-links, it makes NO difference if you use follow or nofollow attribute in links. If the link is to a banned or black-listed site, then you run the risk of being penalized. Do not fall under the assumption a nofollow link attribute will protect you in this case, as many have recently assumed.
Cheers!
Ninja, I have to differ you on this. I took the exact action on my site as you mentioned doesn't work. But it worked, and I got my rank back today, with a very personal message in WMT from Google. I am not sure what's the source of your information…
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2:37 am
March 23, 2012
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insurancedoesmatter
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I would also disagree with DividendNinja on this, Google, through Matt Cutts has said that paid links should be "no-follow" so it clearly makes a difference to them. That being said, most advertisers are buying the site to get the authority from a "follow" link
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