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7:16 am January 23, 2013
| BeatingBroke
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I'm pretty sure that this has been discussed before, but I searched several times and couldn't find anything, so starting a new thread.
I personally haven't given a second thought to using one of the plugins that replaces the wordpress comments with Facebook comments. I've had myriad reasons, but the biggest of them is that I just don't like having to login to multiple services to comment somewhere. It's the same reason that I don't much care for Discus and LiveFyre.
However, with all the crazy changes to the Facebook pages, and Edgerank that drives their "visibility", would it be smarter to move to one of those plugins? If Edgerank is directly influenced by the number of comments, likes, etc that a post gets on Facebook, wouldn't using one of those plugins automatically get you X more comments just because it's also getting the comments from the website?
Does anyone here run facebook comments on their site and care to share their experience, both with comment trends, and with facebook insights trends?
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8:26 am January 23, 2013
| Glen Craig
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Interesting question! I haven't used the plugin. Do the comments show on Facebook or is that one of the options?
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8:26 am January 23, 2013
| Edward Antrobus
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As a commenter, I WILL NOT comment on a site that uses Facebook Commments. I've found that Facebook has a tendency to ignore the fact that you unchecked the box asking if you want to post your comment on your Timeline. I've had flame wars break out on my status updates on FB, so I am very careful what I post there.
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11:03 am January 23, 2013
| Michelle (Making Sense of Cents)
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I don't like site that ONLY allow you to use Facebook comments. As an anon-blogger, I'm afraid something will leak if I do that.
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11:30 am January 23, 2013
| MoneyBeagle
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I won't comment on sites that use exclusively Facebook commenting.
I guess I look at all these new complexities to the commenting systems as helping bloggers but adding nothing (except extra steps) for readers. You can tell me all you want that readers don't mind or comments increase or stay steady, but at a certain point, when are these systems taking readers from people and turning them into numbers/metrics/rankings/whatever?
I just think the option to leave a comment should be simple. It shouldn't require a profile of any sort or tying back to another social media option. At least that's my thought, but maybe I'm just old school.
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1:20 pm January 23, 2013
| Khaleef @ KNS Financial
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I'm another one who will never comment on a blog that only uses Facebook comments. I don't see the point of it from the reader's point of view.
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8:12 pm January 23, 2013
| BeatingBroke
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Glen Craig – Free From Broke said:
Interesting question! I haven't used the plugin. Do the comments show on Facebook or is that one of the options?
That's essentially what I'm trying to find out too, Glen. If they show up on Facebook, plus add to the EdgeRank of a post, it could potentially be a pretty good thing for Facebook stats.
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8:15 pm January 23, 2013
| BeatingBroke
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I'm pretty much like anyone else here. I dislike having to login just to leave a comment and will just leave instead. But, what if the plugin allowed for the ability to comment via Facebook if you choose to, but left the comment form there for those that don't want to? There's a plugin called Social that does that, as well as a twitter comment ability. I've been doing a bit of research on it, and actually have it installed on BB, but I don't see the login buttons. At the moment, I'm thinking that it's an issue with my theme, which might lead to a full redesign. So, trying to get a bit more evidence of it actually being a help to FB before going through all of that.
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5:09 am January 24, 2013
| MoneyBeagle
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BB, that is a great option and does offer choices, but there are complexities you would have to be aware of. Some users will inevitably type their comment in the wrong field, then get surprised when it shows up on Facebook even though they had no intention of that happening. Also having two forms is one more thing your site has to load, meaning one more potential slowdown or one more plugin that could potentially turn into a backdoor hacking opportunity.
It's all about trade-offs.
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7:18 pm January 24, 2013
| BeatingBroke
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Well, after some playing around, I was able to figure out what the issue was on my site. There's a little check box in the settings for the plugin that turns off the override of the default theme CSS for comments. Apparently, that was what was keeping the buttons from showing up. So, if you want to see how it presents itself, head on over to my site and take a look at a post. Heck, you can even test it out with a comment if you like.
From what I can tell, even if you're logged into Facebook, you still have to click the button (or a dropdown) to comment with facebook. The same seems to be true with Twitter. So, I think that's a pretty good safeguard against commenting with the wrong account.
I don't think that it's loading a second form, but waiting to do that until you select that you want to comment with FB or Twitter. I could be wrong, and I haven't actually watched the code to see for sure.
As for the one more backdoor opportunity, the plugin was a requirement for the plugin that I use to push new posts to Twitter. It also will push them to Facebook pages so I may test that out at some point. But, I'm testing manual posting of the posts to FB to play around with response rates and Edgerank prejudices against apps that push content into the system.
There are some other concerns that I've had with it, however. For one, it seems to mess with my theme a bit and it doesn't look all that pretty. That will either lead me to disable it after a few weeks of testing, or will serve as the impetus to actually do the theme upgrade that I've been putting off for a year or so. My current theme doesn't support threaded comments, so I really should update it anyways. I also don't know how it's going to handle the facebook comments and twitter comments. According to the plugin page, it pulls them in through a cron job and then stores them in the WPDB. If that's the case, that's a good bit. But, what happens when/if I pull the plugin. Does it remove those? Do they stay as just regular wordpress comments, or do they just kinda hang out in the DB and not show anywhere? Again, some testing may be required.
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9:35 pm January 24, 2013
| Edward Antrobus
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BeatingBroke said:
From what I can tell, even if you're logged into Facebook, you still have to click the button (or a dropdown) to comment with facebook. The same seems to be true with Twitter. So, I think that's a pretty good safeguard against commenting with the wrong account.
I'd be very careful there. Facebook will do whatever the feel like and I've noticed that their plugin coding skills aren't the greatest. I dropped the Facebook plugin from my site when an update highjacked my entire commenting system. And I will never comment with a Facebook commenting system again when a comment I made of an, err, adult, nature was posted to my profile without my permission. My family reads that!
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If You Can Read, You Can Cook – http://www.ifyoucanread.com | Think you can't cook? If you can read this sentence, then you can.
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12:19 pm January 25, 2013
| Pauline
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I don't like to use FB comments either. When I had only a personal FB account, I didn't comment at all. Now that I can comment with my site's FB page, I do it but on rare occasions.
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7:57 pm January 25, 2013
| BeatingBroke
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Edward Antrobus said:
BeatingBroke said:
From what I can tell, even if you're logged into Facebook, you still have to click the button (or a dropdown) to comment with facebook. The same seems to be true with Twitter. So, I think that's a pretty good safeguard against commenting with the wrong account.
I'd be very careful there. Facebook will do whatever the feel like and I've noticed that their plugin coding skills aren't the greatest. I dropped the Facebook plugin from my site when an update highjacked my entire commenting system. And I will never comment with a Facebook commenting system again when a comment I made of an, err, adult, nature was posted to my profile without my permission. My family reads that!
Well, it's not a direct FB plugin, but someone that's created one using the API. I've seen the direct FB plugin, and I have no intention of installing that.
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7:59 pm January 25, 2013
| BeatingBroke
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I had been testing the plugin, but I've had to turn off the FB and Twitter parts because it seems to create a bit of a problem with my spam plugin. The spam plugin blocks about 5000 spam plugins a month, so I'm not turning that off.
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7:57 pm February 1, 2013
| BeatingBroke
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If anyone still wants to see this plugin in action, I managed to figure out what the issue was. Seems to work pretty well really. Haven't decided if it's really worth having or not yet though.
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