User | Post |
3:02 pm February 20, 2011
| Melissa (Mom's Plans)
| | |
| Member | posts 908 |
|
|
|
This is a bit premature on my part, but as my blog grows (and hopefully the money I earn from it), I know I should register it legally. If you have already established a blog business, did you set it up as a sole propietor or as an LLC? What are the benefits or drawbacks of each?
|
|
|
3:56 pm February 20, 2011
| JT_McGee
| | |
| Member | posts 723 |
|
|
|
Post edited 3:58 pm – February 20, 2011 by JT_McGee
As a smaller operation the biggest advantage is obviously on the side of liability, though I'm not sure what risks a business owner might encounter with a blog. Slander lawsuits, maybe?
Really, it comes down to what you want to do with your company. A LLC would allow you to borrow in the name of the corporation although most lenders would stipulate that the business owner sign as being personally liable, at least in the early years. Of course, going to an LLC early means you have time to establish the creditworthiness of your company absent your personal guarantees. That helps in leveraging your borrowing capacity later for expansion, etc.
Second, you have the benefit of putting LLC after your company name, which does help in terms of establishing legitimacy.
The liability portion can be covered by an inexpensive insurance policy, but sole-proprietorships lose out in the marketing benefit/established credit as a company, not as an individual. Drawbacks are plenty for an LLC…mostly the cost of filing, organizing the articles of incorporation etc (one time thing) then higher on-going accounting costs. The real tax goodies are found in S-corps, but registering an S-corp only becomes advantageous at the six-figure plus level (FICA tax avoidance).
Soooooo basically, "it depends." :P Most everything I do is a sole propertiorship, and only for a few JVs am I involved in LLPs. Truthfully, the best money you could ever spend would be spent talking to an accountant. It shouldn't cost more than a few hundred dollars for file in Delaware.
edit: I know a few "Serial incorporators." They use newly formed corporations to open multiple accounts with Google adsense, which helps divide their website accounts and insulates against the risk of a broad-based "smart-pricing." This may be advantageous for other advertising/commission-based sites, but I'm not familiar with too many of them.
|
|
|
6:40 pm February 20, 2011
| The College Investor
| | San Diego, CA | |
| Admin
| posts 1935 |
|
|
|
I use sole-propiertorship for my blogging and other businessnes. I have a very inexpensive umbrella policy that covers me liability wise to $1,000,000 for only $10/mo. It protects against slander, error/ommission, and even eviction (I have a rental).
|
|
|
6:56 pm February 20, 2011
| Jason@LiveRealNow
| | |
| Member | posts 727 |
|
|
|
Another thing to think about, if you ever excerpt other sites is setting up a registered DMCA agent. Google "Righthaven" if you want a scary reason to drop $130 to save yourself a $5000 lawsuit settlement.
|
|
|
1:42 pm February 21, 2011
| Sunil from The Extra Money Blog
| | |
| Member | posts 362 |
|
|
|
incorporating is well worth it. i initially started as a sole, but incorped within a year after seeing faster than expected growth.
anyone know if a general umbrella insurance policy would cover blog related issues? i would think so – if so, it's something to consider? i'd recommend it regardless for anyone with a reasonable amount of net worth / assets to protect
|
The Extra Money Blog– Expedited Wealth Building Through Multiple Streams of Active & Passive Income (Entrepreneurship, Internet Marketing, Personal Finance)
|
|
7:25 pm February 21, 2011
| Invest It Wisely
| | |
| Member
| posts 2019 |
|
|
|
Post edited 7:25 pm – February 21, 2011 by Invest It Wisely
The College Investor said:
I use sole-propiertorship for my blogging and other businessnes. I have a very inexpensive umbrella policy that covers me liability wise to $1,000,000 for only $10/mo. It protects against slander, error/ommission, and even eviction (I have a rental).
I'm curious about such liability insurance policies. How well do they cover you, and how many opt-out clauses do they have (meaning excuses they can use to not cover you)? As my site grows more I am interested in getting something like this, as I don't think the corporate step is appropriate at this point in time but I do want some sort of insurance against rubbing someone the wrong way as can happen to any of us.
|
|
|
7:26 pm February 21, 2011
| The College Investor
| | San Diego, CA | |
| Admin
| posts 1935 |
|
|
|
Sunil, you can get an umbrella policy to cover your blog, but you have to let them know up front, and it can be included, especially if you treat your site as a small business.
|
|
|
11:30 am February 22, 2011
| Buy Like Buffett
| | |
| Member
| posts 1682 |
|
|
|
An umbrella policy for blogs. I had no clue.
|
|
|
2:31 pm February 22, 2011
| Betty Kincaid
| | |
| Member | posts 44 |
|
|
|
Melissa,
We've written quite a few articles on this subject including this one that ran on Sam's blog last year. You should set-up a single-member limited liability company (LLC). You don't have to incorporate in your home state. In fact, if you live in California or New York, never incorporate in your home state. We recommend incorporating in our home state of Nevada (cheap and lots of privacy) or Delaware (most favorable corporate legal climate in the country).
Here's why you should do it today:
-An LLC lets you write-off more business expenses then filing under a Schedule C.
-If you file for your LLC to be treated like a sub-chapter S Corp; you pay yourself a "reasonable" salary and take any additional income as a year-end distribution thus reducing your self-employment tax liability.
-A single-member LLC is diregarded for tax purposes. This means you don't have to file a separate tax return for your business. You save money on tax prep and still get all the tax and liability protection benefits of incorporation.
-As you grow you can convert your LLC to a series LLC, allowing you to have lots of sub-LLCs within one serial LLC. This diversifies your liability while keeping your legal, tax and filing fees affordable. Series LLCs are legal in both NV and DE but not every state allows them so check with your state of incorporation.
-Liability protection is huge. An umbrella policy may be okay BUT, let's face it, most insurance companies are not in the business of paying claims. If you're sued; you'll be fighting with your insurance company as much as the Plaintiff. Simply having an LLC will prevent most nuisance suits since the plaintiff's attorney realize: 1) they have to work harder to prove liability, 2) they have to work harder to find assets, and 3) they have to work harder to collect on a judgement against an LLC. See the pattern? Lawyers like easy money.
Probably too much information huh?
Betty
Here's our affiliate link to CorpNet if you want more info. about incorporating online.
|
|
|
5:26 pm February 22, 2011
| Melissa (Mom's Plans)
| | |
| Member | posts 908 |
|
|
|
Thanks so much for all of the info so far!
|
|
|
6:48 am February 23, 2011
| The Financial Blogger
| | |
| Member | posts 429 |
|
|
|
I would definitely suggest to incorporate your blog if you are thinking of building a business out of it. Having said that, if you don't make at least $1,000 per month, the benefits of an incorporation are close to nothing ;-)
|
|
|
9:46 am February 23, 2011
| financialstudent
| | |
| Member | posts 86 |
|
|
|
I'm offical in the sense I have business checking and savings accounts. I registered with my state (Ohio) for a DBA (doing business as). Total cost was only $50. I also applied for a tax ID number. I'd say you don't really need to incorporate until your revenues are $10,000+ per year.
I'm not worried about liability in my case for a few reasons. One: I'm a college student with no real assets to speak of. Two: I honestly can't imagine of anyone suing me at this point. Obviously, as income increases, the potential for lawsuits seems to increase. But I'm no where near that yet.
|
|
|
9:52 am February 23, 2011
| Jason@LiveRealNow
| | |
| Member | posts 727 |
|
|
|
financialstudent said:
I'm offical in the sense I have business checking and savings accounts. I registered with my state (Ohio) for a DBA (doing business as). Total cost was only $50. I also applied for a tax ID number. I'd say you don't really need to incorporate until your revenues are $10,000+ per year.
I'm not worried about liability in my case for a few reasons. One: I'm a college student with no real assets to speak of. Two: I honestly can't imagine of anyone suing me at this point. Obviously, as income increases, the potential for lawsuits seems to increase. But I'm no where near that yet.
A friend of mine runs a forum with strictly local audience. One of the forum members posted a complete article–with a link to the source–from a Nevada newspaper. That newspaper was affiliated with Righthaven, and sued my friend for having that article posted. He settled out of court for what I would consider a painful amount.
They have also sued blogs over what is clearly fair use excerpts. To be clear, that is a 6-figure, cross-country legal battle for an excerpt of a news article. Most people cave and settle because the lawsuits demand $100,000 and the
domain name, while they are willing to settle for mid 4 figures.
As far as your assets, a lost lawsuit can mean a garnishment for the rest of your life. Nothing now doesn't mean nothing to sue for.
|
|
|
11:37 am February 23, 2011
| Betty Kincaid
| | |
| Member | posts 44 |
|
|
|
Jason beat me to the punch. Judgements have about a 7-year shelf life but can be renewed indefinitely.
I'd rather have a judgement against an LLC or Corp that I can close down.
The Righthaven lawsuits are the perfect example of what's wrong with our
current tort system. The system went to hell the day attorney's were
allowed to advertise like this: "If you ever took X drug, even if you
don't have symptoms, you could be entitled to compensation."
Righthaven is the internet version of an ambulance chaser looking for
the perfect storm of minor infractions plus E&O insurance.
Having insurance is better than having assets because if the amount being sought is under a predetermined threshhold, the insurance adjusters will just cut a check. You & I might fight to be vindicated (clear our good name or any other gung-ho, good guy cliche) but insurance adjusters just want the problem to go away. That's why liability insurance is a lititgator's best friend.
|
|
|
11:40 am February 23, 2011
| Betty Kincaid
| | |
| Member | posts 44 |
|
|
|
One more thing and then I promise to go away…
If you're not making any money and don't think you're ever going to make money then you're indulging a hobby not running a business. The IRS doesn't allow you to deduct any expenses associated with a hobby.
My advice applies only to anyone wanting to build a profitable business.
|
|
|
7:01 pm February 23, 2011
| Jason@LiveRealNow
| | |
| Member | posts 727 |
|
|
|
Betty Kincaid said:
One more thing and then I promise to go away…
If you're not making any money and don't think you're ever going to make money then you're indulging a hobby not running a business. The IRS doesn't allow you to deduct any expenses associated with a hobby.
My advice applies only to anyone wanting to build a profitable business.
You can deduct your hobby expenses, but only up to the amount of income generated by the hobby and only if you are producing income from the hobby.
http://www.irs.gov/publication…../ar02.html
|
|
|
3:50 pm February 24, 2011
| TightFistedMiser
| | |
| Member | posts 361 |
|
|
|
A friend of mine runs a forum with strictly local audience. One of the forum members posted a complete article–with a link to the source–from a Nevada newspaper. That newspaper was affiliated with Righthaven, and sued my friend for having that article posted. He settled out of court for what I would consider a painful amount.
Jason, your friend could have won that lawsuit. There is case law that says that forum owners aren't responsible for what members post. Of course fighting the lawsuit in Nevada might have cost him more than his settlement. If I were sued though in similar circumstances I think I'd have to go to court.
|
|
|