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10:48 am
August 19, 2011


MoneyIsTheRoot

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wow the 5 figure mark…very impressive.

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1:24 pm
August 19, 2011


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I just place my sites under my business LLC to make it easier.

 

 

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10:09 am
August 20, 2011


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I have an LLC. I did my own operating agreement but had a lawyer do a review of it.

 

Here in MO it only costs $50 to set it up with the state and you don't have to file any paperwork with the state each year (although you do have to hold an annual meeting with the members of your company and write up the minutes). 

 

Our accountant does our taxes for this one on schedule C.    I don't yet take any deductions for an office, because I work all over the house and yard on stuff (love being outside).

 

My main reason was protection of personal assets.  If someone wants to sue my company, and if I follow all the rules for our state regarding keeping personal and business stuff apart, then they can only go after my business assets (at least the way I understand it).

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7:01 am
August 22, 2011


Tushar @ Everything Finance

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I too formed an LLC in Georgia. Really easy to set up.

Since I now have considerable income coming in from my websites, website design business etc., my accountant's advise was LLC

There are some great tax benefits as well. 

 

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8:25 am
August 22, 2011


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Well after hearing from everyone I decided to form an LLC here in Michigan.  I searched through a ton of websites, researched doing it on my own, and in the end I decided to go with Legal Zoon, with my $5 online coupon code of course.  It cost me $153 to have them do it, which includes my state filing fees. 

 

It can take as long as 35 business days to get it all taken care of.  I already received my EIN from the federal gov't, so that's all set.

 

Im already feeling better and a little more at ease knowing that my assets will soon be protected!  Plus I can write off the filing fee I paid to legal zoom, so all is not lost.

 

I appreciate everyones advice.

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8:27 am
August 22, 2011


Tushar @ Everything Finance

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I suggest hiring a tax consultant. 

He can guide you in making the most as far as reducing your tax burden is concerned.  

Good Luck!

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11:35 am
August 22, 2011


Eric J. Nisall

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A tax accountant would be a good idea, even if it is a consultation just to explain everything and lay out your options.  Just know that if you do want to be treated as an S-Corp for tax purposes rather than filing on your 1040 Schedule C, you have 2 months and 15 days to make the election.

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12:14 pm
August 22, 2011


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I appreciate the advice Eric.  I'm just going to file a sched. C along with my 1040.

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12:30 pm
August 22, 2011


Eric J. Nisall

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No problem at all, Justin.  I just want to tell you that you may want to reconsider once you start making enough money to warrant a salary.  As a Sched C filer, everything you net is subject to self-employment taxes, but when you elect S-Corp filing status, you get to take a salary and only that part is subject to payroll taxes.  The net income of an S-Corp is considered a distribution and is never included in the self-employment tax calculation.  Depending on how much you start to make, the savings can be quite considerable. Something to keep in mind, huh? Cool

 

This goes for anyone who is still filing a Sched C and making pretty serious money, maybe say $50k net.  Taking a salary to save money on SE taxes and not having to worry about filing estimated taxes can probably help out a lot once you reach that point in the blog's life.

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2:56 pm
August 22, 2011


Eric – PersonalProfitability.com

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I have an LLC for another venture I am working on but have not taken the steps for my blogs yet, though I do plan to. I think I will around Jan 1 so I have a clean break for my personal taxes to LLC conversion.

In my state, LLC fees are $50 and it takes about 10 minutes to do it yourself online. A federal EIN is free so you can get bank accounts.

The legal benefit is the most important part of it until you break the $40,000 per year point (rough number), at which point there are tax benefits. It also gives you a little more legitimacy to be an LLC.

3:13 pm
August 22, 2011


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The Penny Hoarder said:

I've started to look into as well. I like the idea of being protected and I'd also like to finally open a business checking account. I like how Crystal pays herself a salary out of her business account every month instead of wondering how much income there will be in a given month. :)

Just to be clear, I am not an LLC.  My Paypal blogging income is transferred to a personal savings account called "Blogging Income" at ING (one of our 8 savings accounts with them along with our checking account).  I pay myself $1650 biweekly out of "Blogging Income" and into "Checking".

I am not an LLC for two reasons.  The first one is that I was told that it would be taxed at a higher rate than a sole proprietorship.  If I make more than $60,000 a year, then it would be a wash, but I'm not quite there yet.  The second reason is that the first reason gives me an excuse to be lazy about it. Laugh

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3:24 pm
August 22, 2011


Eric J. Nisall

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Budgeting in the Fun Stuff said:

The Penny Hoarder said:

I've started to look into as well. I like the idea of being protected and I'd also like to finally open a business checking account. I like how Crystal pays herself a salary out of her business account every month instead of wondering how much income there will be in a given month. :)

Just to be clear, I am not an LLC.  My Paypal blogging income is transferred to a personal savings account called "Blogging Income" at ING (one of our 8 savings accounts with them along with our checking account).  I pay myself $1650 biweekly out of "Blogging Income" and into "Checking".

I am not an LLC for two reasons.  The first one is that I was told that it would be taxed at a higher rate than a sole proprietorship.  If I make more than $60,000 a year, then it would be a wash, but I'm not quite there yet.  The second reason is that the first reason gives me an excuse to be lazy about it. Laugh

 

I really hope that it wasn't an accountant who told you about the higher tax, Crystal.  There are two options when incorporating as a single member LLC: filing on Schedule C, which will tax you at the personal income tax rate, or electing to be treated as an S-Corp for tax purposes, which will allow you to avoid double taxation and only the net income will flow through to your 1040.  But, at least you do the right thing and keep the blogging money seperate from your personal funds! Laugh

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6:04 pm
August 22, 2011


SweatingTheBigStuff

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I talked to a tax professional recently, in CA it costs $800 a year to have an LLC, which I think is a lot! The other issue is the hassle of being a business, which can mean payroll and other things you have to do. I'm waiting until the advantages very clearly outweigh the costs.

6:33 pm
August 22, 2011


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Here's a great example: http://www.mymoneyblog.com/s-c…..efits.html

 

In that example, on $90,000 of income, you can save $3,825. If you make less, you save less. Add in fees and expenses, plus the time it takes…not that big of a deal in my opinion.

7:07 pm
August 22, 2011


Eric J. Nisall

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That's a great example, but actually the maximum amount of federal unemployment tax per employee is $56, so it's pretty negligible, plus both state and federal unemployment taxes are deductible to the business (for what it's worth).  

 

So that's what you went for the other day, huh? Smile  That guy must have been smoking some of that medicinal stuff.  I don't know the regs for CA, but I find it hard to believe that the annual fee is so high unless he meant the tax return was included in that figure.  

 

Anyone can find out all of the requirements by searching for their state's Secretary of State or Division of Corporations, and everything should be right there.

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7:16 pm
August 22, 2011


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I do know California is a bit more expensive than Michigan, and I believe they require some sort of annual filings that Michigan does not.  I was reading through some of this stuff on different sites…basically in michigan I pay the $50 to start the LLC, and from there I just file my schedule C each year…which as Eric said before is subject to my personal tax rate.  It took 30 minutes of my time today and I should be all set when I get the paperwork back from the state within the month.  In the end my house and assets are protected, which is the biggest part for me…I know the odds of a blog being sued are nil, but I will sleep easier now.

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7:24 pm
August 22, 2011


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I'm not in California, but checked and unless I'm reading it wrong, it seems like there's an annual $800 LLC tax.  Not small change for those living there!

 

 

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7:43 pm
August 22, 2011


Eric J. Nisall

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Wow, that's nuts (no pun intended).  I was just on the CA Franchise Tax Boar, and they really do charge an $800 fee for LLC's.  Not only that, but they also tax an S-corporation at the corporate level too, albeit only 1.5% even though most states follow the IRS lead when it comes to taxing different entities.  That just blew my mind.

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7:57 pm
August 22, 2011


Kay Lynn Akers

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Squirrelers said:

I'm not in California, but checked and unless I'm reading it wrong, it seems like there's an annual $800 LLC tax.  Not small change for those living there!

 

 

You're not wrong; it really is $800 a year.  That's why I haven't done so plus (as I've posted before) two different lawyers told me it really doesn't add much protection to sole proprietorships.

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9:01 pm
August 22, 2011


SweatingTheBigStuff

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Right, thanks for the backup guys lol.

I would only do it for the tax savings, but after the giant fees, it seems like it may be more of a hassle than the savings are worth.

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