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10:49 am
January 22, 2012
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maria@moneyprinciple
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It may not be a mystery at all but I am a bit puzzled and will be very grateful if someone can answer my question.
Recently, we found that The Money Principle has a MozRank of 4.15 (or close to that). But it still doesn't seem to have a PageRank. Is this possible and how does the whole 'I get a PageRank' thing work? From what Ihave read, both use very similar measures.
Maria
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11:09 am
January 22, 2012
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shanendoah
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Based on the Delta Class sign up, you can check your page rank here: http://www.prchecker.info/check_page_rank.php
and your MozRank at websitegrader.com (it's down in the analytics section)
I apparently have a page rank of 0.
I have a MozRank of 2.7, but they don't think I have a blog, while the only pages they found were my blogs, and didn't appear to find the other pages I have up (both of which use blogging software). So it still seems a bit of a mystery to me.
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1:41 pm
January 22, 2012
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Hank Coleman
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Google only updates sites' PageRank periodically. They can often go 3 months or longer between updates. And, of course, they do not make it public knowledge when updates will occur. Here is a great message from Google and their recommendation not to focus on it as much as other metrics. https://sites.google.com/site/webmasterhelpforum/en/faq–crawling–indexing—ranking#pagerank
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1:57 pm
January 22, 2012
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Aloysa
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You have a great (IMHO) MozRank. I got a page rank within one month of opening my blog which surprised me tremendously. I am still puzzled how it happened. I think another page rank update is going to be in Feb.
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7:23 pm
January 22, 2012
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My University Money
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All rankings metrics have bamboozled me at some point. Right now our Alexa ranking is much higher than sites that I know have a higher PR, MozRank and have many more visitors than us.
Our PR recently jumped form 1 to 3, but when our PR was 1 our Mozrank was 5.24. Now that our PR is 3 (we have noticed a slight jump in visitors) our Mozrank has shrank to under 4.8.
Long story short, I have no idea how all this crap works, but I wish they would come up with a more reliable way of measuring.
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8:24 pm
January 22, 2012
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Matt Wegner
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My University Money said:
Long story short, I have no idea how all this crap works, but I wish they would come up with a more reliable way of measuring.
Ditto. I feel like I'm just floating out there, waiting for another update to see if I got better or worse. I won't be able to tell what made the change either, which is frustrating. I just keep trying to produce good content and hope for good results.
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4:18 am
January 23, 2012
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Eric J. Nisall
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Alexa rating is based on visitors who have the Alexa toolbar installed in their browser, plus it's a relative figure rather than an absolute figure. That means your ranking is affected by what is going on at other sites rather than simply what your site is doing. The other ranking metrics (MozRank, Page Rank, etc.) are absolutes values based only on what perceived value your site provides to the visitors. Also, keep in mind that Alexa is updated on a daily basis where the others are updated intermittently, with google not even having a set schedule as to when updates will take place.
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5:08 am
January 23, 2012
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MoneyBeagle
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Since moving from Blogger to Wordpress, my traffic and search engine referrals have both increased dramatically. I'm hoping that would lead to better rankings, but I also fully expect G to take the wind out of my sails since things often go opposite of what you would expect.
Or maybe I'm just somewhat of a pessimist :)
My MozRank has been slowly slipping a bit over the past few months. They do seem to update that pretty regularly, every couple of weeks I'd guess.
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5:24 am
January 23, 2012
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Glen Craig
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As Hank said, the toolbar only updates a few times a year. But that doesn't mean you don't have any PR, you just don't see it. There are fluctuations all the time.
Moz is another company's approximation of PR.
Alexa is more about traffic, and that is skewed by those who visits with the toolbar.
Worry about creating awesome content.
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5:33 am
January 23, 2012
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everydaytips
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I have totally stopped worrying about rankings of any kind. It seems like I have so little control over a large part of it, so I just do the best I can. Back when I was focusing on 'metrics', I found blogging more stressful too, and I didn't really gain anything by focusing on it. My alexa rank has really slipped, my mozrank has dropped a tiny bit, and I never know what will happen with page rank.
Kris
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9:59 am
January 23, 2012
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Smart Wealth
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Seems to be many different rankings out there. My PR is 1 but i did hear that it google updates it without announcing. I am hoping that increases in the next update. My main goal is the Alexa rankings right now and everything else will come in due time 
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12:17 pm
January 23, 2012
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maria@moneyprinciple
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I knew it! It only gets more confusing. Thanks for your your informative responses – I read the rules but it is still strange. Anyway – I have been focusing on writing and this is what gives me kicks. The rest – well, we shall see. BTW, we are working on a 'new look' for The Money Principle.
Maria
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3:36 pm
January 23, 2012
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Post edited 3:38 pm – January 23, 2012 by randfish
Hey gang – saw this topic and figured it would be good if I jumped in. Just for background, I'm one of the co-founders at SEOmoz, which produces the Linkscape web index and the mozRank (mR) metric.
First off, Hank Coleman is spot on about Google only updating their toolbar PageRank scores periodically. We've seen as few as 2-3 months and as long as 18 months between updates. Of course, behind the scenes for their search index, they are constantly updating PR (Google's head of webspam told me in 2010 that they crawl + update scores for "the whole fresh web" in ~6 hours). But, the public PageRank scores are much less frequent.
MozRank is something we build at SEOmoz that imitates PR – we run a version very similar to the original (http://infolab.stanford.edu/~b…..google.htm) on our Linkscape index of the web, which re-calculates every 3-5 weeks. You can see an update calendar here - http://seomoz.zendesk.com/entr…..e-schedule - and we post about each one (e.g. our last update last week: http://www.seomoz.org/blog/58-…..update-yet).
MozRank and PageRank tend to be very well correlated when both are fresh, but that correlation gets worse over time if either/both don't update (http://www.seomoz.org/blog/moz…..driven-seo).
Basically, I'd think of MozRank as a more updated, but less spam-sensitive form of PageRank, and run on a smaller web index (we think we're about 40-60% the size of Google's main index at any given time, though growing recently).
Hope that helps!
p.s. Oh – and please do note that we think PageRank/MozRank are very small parts of Google's rankings these days (probably sub-10%, maybe sub-5% of the overall algo). If you're looking for a better metric, I'd suggest using Domain/Page Authority, which take a much broader set of metrics into consideration and are far better correlated with actual rankings in Google's search results (vs. MozRank, which is built to mimic PageRank).
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3:49 pm
January 23, 2012
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Glen Craig
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Welcome Rand! Thanks for the awesome work you do and for stopping by. You and your site are on the short list of places I follow to know what's happening in the SEO world.
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5:57 pm
January 23, 2012
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My University Money
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Thanks for stopping by Rand!
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6:20 pm
January 23, 2012
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OneCentAtatime
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Rand, if I am not forgetting everything, I am a fan of your wife's blog everywhereist and very recently went through a post of yours on SEOMoz blog, listing 21 ways of attracting traffic. Great to hear from you.
I know, you know, we all know Google PR is not more accurate than Moz rank. Still the world we live in values PR more. Till the advertisers are biased with PR, we can't ignore it for any other rank. Sad but truth.
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6:50 pm
January 23, 2012
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randfish
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Ha! I don't know about "more accurate." It really depends on what you want to measure. If it's "ability to rank well for things agnostic of a particular keyword," both PageRank and MozRank are pretty bad (~0.12 correlation range) while Page Authority is more like 0.38 (which is still not excellent but way, way better).
If you're trying to measure the rough importance/link-value of a site, I'm probably more of a fan of just raw linking root domains count (which is how we order a list like http://www.seomoz.org/top500).
And if it's traffic/visits, well… You're out of luck :-) http://www.seomoz.org/blog/tes…..-quantcast
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9:10 pm
January 23, 2012
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Charles @ MoneyGreenLife
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i use http://www.opensiteexplorer.org to find my Page Authority and Domain Authority numbers. It's also run by the same people of seomoz.org
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5:30 am
January 24, 2012
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Matt Wegner
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Rand, thanks for the insight and clarification on this. Your comments help a lot. At least they helped me understand the difference a lot better.
Thanks for jumping in!
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5:44 am
January 24, 2012
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Smart Wealth
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Charles @ MoneyGreenLife said:
i use http://www.opensiteexplorer.org to find my Page Authority and Domain Authority numbers. It's also run by the same people of seomoz.org
Thanks Charles for the link
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