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11:25 am July 18, 2011
| FamilyMoneyValues
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I agree with the sentiment expressed by the majority of folks in this thread. Hopefully you and your friend didn't let the discussion impact your friendship negatively. Maybe you could give your friend a short education on the typical internet business model – might help him or her read stuff with a better eye!
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12:51 pm July 18, 2011
| Derek@LifeAndMyFinances
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Just like everyone else, I wouldn't feel bad about your sponsored post either. Blogging IS a business and your advertisement wasn't a bad one. If one of your readers wants to sell their house fast, perhaps Gateway would have been a good option for them. It's not as if you are advertising for a company that would do damage to their well-being. Keep accepting those sponsored posts. It's good money and it keeps your site up and running.
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1:49 pm July 18, 2011
| Khaleef @ KNS Financial
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At the risk of being the "bad guy" here, I am going to say that since I started my blogs, I hate trying to find a review online. Now I know that all these barren sites that contain reviews and other information are nothing more than spam!
She has the wrong idea about your motives, but she is probably tired of not finding the information she searches for, because of people who have "sold their soul". Especially, if it's just a link that's slipped in, rather than a review that clearly indicates details about compensation.
I don't think it's fair for us to expect her to know about the business side of blogging, and call her irrational. When I talk to people about blogging, and search in general, they are always amazed at how much manipulation goes into the results!
So, I think she was wrong about you, but not wrong about the internet in general.
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10:28 pm July 18, 2011
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Sustainable PF said:
Interesting take mbhunter.
I actually look at your site as a model to work toward so I really appreciate the opinion here.
That being said, we've had a number of posts that were paid by some entity or another.
We also got a zero to 4 PR upgrade – with such posts on our site.
I find that these posts, as long as they are of quality, and I add links to our own site – don't damage our rep/site.
Thanks for the compliment. :)
I know I probably swing too far on the conservative side on this topic, but I believe that any activity that tends to game organic search engine results will be factored out eventually, at which point the gamers will pay. It might not be tomorrow or three months from now, but the Internet is more or less forever, and Google is caching it all the time and doing massive amounts of crunching and testing to improve the quality of their search results. They have to.
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6:27 am July 19, 2011
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You shouldn't feel bad as long as your blog still stays YOUR blog. Especially if you agree with the vision of the company you are promoting.
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Topics include:Personal Finance, Debt, Debt Management, Peer to peer lending
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7:06 am July 19, 2011
| JT_McGee
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mbhunter said:
Thanks for the compliment. :)
I know I probably swing too far on the conservative side on this topic, but I believe that any activity that tends to game organic search engine results will be factored out eventually, at which point the gamers will pay. It might not be tomorrow or three months from now, but the Internet is more or less forever, and Google is caching it all the time and doing massive amounts of crunching and testing to improve the quality of their search results. They have to.
I couldn't agree more with this.
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2:05 pm July 20, 2011
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I know I probably swing too far on the conservative side on this topic, but I believe that any activity that tends to game organic search engine results will be factored out eventually, at which point the gamers will pay. It might not be tomorrow or three months from now, but the Internet is more or less forever, and Google is caching it all the time and doing massive amounts of crunching and testing to improve the quality of their search results. They have to.
My thought is the ones who paid for the links would likely bear the brunt of any Google changes. Even if that isn't the case it shouldn't take too long to adapt to the new rules. It only took JC Penney three months to recover from being smacked down by Google. I don't think the risks are as that big and for the money I'm making I'm willing to take the risk.
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7:25 pm July 20, 2011
| The Family CEO
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mbhunter said:
Sustainable PF said:
Interesting take mbhunter.
I actually look at your site as a model to work toward so I really appreciate the opinion here.
That being said, we've had a number of posts that were paid by some entity or another.
We also got a zero to 4 PR upgrade – with such posts on our site.
I find that these posts, as long as they are of quality, and I add links to our own site – don't damage our rep/site.
Thanks for the compliment. :)
I know I probably swing too far on the conservative side on this topic, but I believe that any activity that tends to game organic search engine results will be factored out eventually, at which point the gamers will pay. It might not be tomorrow or three months from now, but the Internet is more or less forever, and Google is caching it all the time and doing massive amounts of crunching and testing to improve the quality of their search results. They have to.
Out of curiosity, MBH, what is your monetization model? Are you relying mostly on AdSense? Affiliate sales? Just wondering what it would look like if someone didn't accept text links or sponsored posts?
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7:30 pm July 20, 2011
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Kris, is it any advertising she is objecting to or just sponsored posts? Either way, I think she was out of line. Particularly if she's a "good friend." Seems nitpicky to me.
I've done one sponsored post on my site and had a complaint in the comments about the fact that my disclosure was at the bottom of the post and not the top. I published the comment, thanked him for his opinion, and told him I would take it into consideration next time, which I will. Not guaranteeing I'll do anything different.
I am willing to accept 2-3 sponsored posts/month as long as I think they're a good fit for my readers. Perhaps we should all have an "And now a word from our sponsor" audio announcement on our blogs!
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8:16 pm July 20, 2011
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Hey Kris,
Don't go boiling yourself in water! People sometimes feel iffy when cash is involved, but that's partly because of all the moralizing we've received as kids and as young adults and the mysteriousness of money and partly because as humans we are fallible and get green or feel weird when cash is involved. It's a known bias of humans. Your friend needs to understand that all things have value, and we are always buying, selling, and trading in everything we do, whether there is a dollar figure or not.
Ask your friend if they believe that they sold their soul for selling their bodies, minds, and time to their employer. Since it's your good friend, you can say it in a nice way, but when you work for someone else that is basically what you do.
Now, your friend does have one point — sites that run too many sponsored posts and are too blatant about them may lose value, even if they do gain some cash. It's then a net loss overall. That is something you always need to weigh when you decide to accept a sponsored post. She might also be right if you're deliberately trying to mislead people and harm them.
However, if you believe the content is beneficial or can be beneficial and you're not out to screw anyone, then whether you were compensated via cash or not (which is only one way we can be compensated), there's nothing immoral or wrong abut a mutually beneficial exchange. Did you tell her that we contribute toward a Yakezie writing contest, and without advertiser revenue that would be much harder to fund?
Life would be great if resources were unlimited, but they aren't, and this is the reality we deal with. We trade our bodies, minds, and time all the time, and there is nothing wrong with that so long as it's agreed to by people on both sides of the trade. I've read your blog for a long time, and I really don't think you're out to screw anyone nor that you're deceiving anyone. I see the guest posts, and I see them for what they are. I'm glad that others see your site as being valuable enough to pay you to be part of it and that you can get that kind of benefit. Feel good that you've built something valuable, and remember your friend is right that too many of those posts can cheapen the site and thus hurt you, but you're definitely not a bad person! :)
everydaytips said:
Like many bloggers, I occasionally have a sponsored post on my site. (Maybe about once every ten days.)
Today, I wrote a guest post for a company called Gateway Homes, which is located in the U.K. Gateway Homes will basically come to your house and offer a certain amount of money for your home. You don't have to take the deal, the company just buys houses. (Although I am betting they do low-ball.)
So, I wrote a post today about keeping debt to a minimum, watching expenses, just general PF stuff. In it I mentioned that sometimes people get into trouble when they buy a home without selling their previous home, and I put Gateway homes as a possible option (with a link), along with other house selling possibilities. At the bottom, I stated "I wrote this post on behalf of Gateway Homes".
A good friend of mine read the post and then emailed me saying posts like mine are what makes her hate the internet and she asked if all bloggers were doing this kind of thing now. She implied that I had sold my soul for cash in a sense, and I have been feeling awful all day. Keep in mind, this was not an ad-like post at all. Had she not seen my disclosure at the bottom, she probably wouldn't have thought twice about it.
I wrote her back saying that blogging is a business, there are certain advertisers I refuse to deal with, blah blah blah.
What are your thoughts on this? I feel like I need to go boil myself in water or something…
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8:20 pm July 20, 2011
| Invest It Wisely
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I also agree with this, but this is just cause the search engines aren't that smart. When they get smarter this will become less of a problem. I think the Panda update goes toward fixing this. Besides, sometimes the spammers actually come up with something useful once in a while. Someone spammed about a butcher block on my site and it was actually an interesting article. ;)
KNS Financial said:
At the risk of being the "bad guy" here, I am going to say that since I started my blogs, I hate trying to find a review online. Now I know that all these barren sites that contain reviews and other information are nothing more than spam!
She has the wrong idea about your motives, but she is probably tired of not finding the information she searches for, because of people who have "sold their soul". Especially, if it's just a link that's slipped in, rather than a review that clearly indicates details about compensation.
I don't think it's fair for us to expect her to know about the business side of blogging, and call her irrational. When I talk to people about blogging, and search in general, they are always amazed at how much manipulation goes into the results!
So, I think she was wrong about you, but not wrong about the internet in general.
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8:26 pm July 20, 2011
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In the past I have sometimes published these for free if I liked the post enough and it was well-written. I might not do that anymore because otherwise I'd be flooded, but for me cash is one part of value and one part of the true bottom line.
Sustainable PF said:
Interesting take mbhunter.
I actually look at your site as a model to work toward so I really appreciate the opinion here.
That being said, we've had a number of posts that were paid by some entity or another.
We also got a zero to 4 PR upgrade – with such posts on our site.
I find that these posts, as long as they are of quality, and I add links to our own site – don't damage our rep/site.
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8:29 pm July 20, 2011
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Suba, this is a good point. I have been pickier with advertisers that wanted me to place in-content links, and I have asked them to rewrite the sentence or I have rewritten it for them because it would be under my name and not a guest, so I would in effect be endorsing it. They are usually fine with that. Heck, the payday loans probably don't mind if you bash the heck out of them so long as you give them a link. :P
Suba @ Wealth Informatics said:
…. You see the point? I will take it as "you" are recommending it. I am a blogger, so if someone folks said "if you have trouble with paying the bills, you could always try XY payday loan". I don't bat an eye on this and just move on, oh sponsored post. But if it is a "non blogger" they might think, you are "suggesting" that if they have trouble, this payday company XY is a good option. So there is a possibility that the post came off as she was suggesting that home buying company.
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10:41 pm July 20, 2011
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The Family CEO said:
Out of curiosity, MBH, what is your monetization model? Are you relying mostly on AdSense? Affiliate sales? Just wondering what it would look like if someone didn't accept text links or sponsored posts?
Right now, AdSense, affiliate arrangements, and cost per action ads. I ran in-text "double-underline" ads until I hit my payout threshold, then took them down (a little too ugly).
I get lots of offers for text links, sponsored posts, and the like. I try to ask if they'll do image ads. I'll take those (on a per-month basis at some cost per thousand impressions). Haven't had one of those go through in a while, though.
Advertisers sure do like the text links. They like even better not to have to pay for them.
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2:44 am July 21, 2011
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While we don't have sponsored posts over on our site, I think as long as you're honest and transparent about sponsorship arrangements then that's fine- it's extra revenue and you're not being misleading.
What really grinds my gears are guest posters who aren't honest about their sponsorship arrangements. I got an email the other day from a young blogger who wanted to guest post on the site. I checked out her blog and saw that she was a recent graduate trying to raise her profile in the blogging world while desperately trying to get a foot in the workplace. I felt really sorry for her and agreed to post up her article. The article was really poorly written and I spent over an hour sprucing it up and finding a decent image to support it. In the editing process I culled two of the links because I didn't think she'd done her homework and the article sounded misleading. I emailed her with the changes at which point she said she wanted to pull the whole article if it didn't have the links. She'd come to me under the guise of a desperate job seeker but in reality she wanted to push a cell phone company. I was livid!
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5:21 am July 21, 2011
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Wow, thanks so much for all the responses everyone!
Regarding my friend, it was only the sponsored post that bothered her. I have since removed sponsored posts from going through my feeds, so my dedicated readers won't be reading them.
I do wonder if something I am doing wrong in my advertising is what is killing my page rank. (Was recently upgraded to 4 and then smacked down to 1 again…) The thing is, I post almost everyday, and I have a sponsored post about once every 10 days or so. As a percentage of my posts, it is very minimal. I have 2 text links, which maybe that is what makes Google hate me. Or, perhaps it was just an error when they gave me a 4 and I truly deserve a 1. I have no idea.
I will say I do get the point that you have to be careful about getting information from the internet, and a sponsored post can possibly mislead people. There are definitely 2 sides to the story, that is for sure.
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7:17 am July 21, 2011
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There's no right answer. However, it's important to take her feelings into account, because presumably other people feel the same way.
I have been blogging for almost a year and am just now starting to monetize because I never wanted to drive away readers with too many ads. It's pretty simple; the more ads you post, the less people are going to enjoy your site.
The key is to find the balance between making money and not driving away readers
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7:23 am July 21, 2011
| The Family CEO
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mbhunter said:
The Family CEO said:
Out of curiosity, MBH, what is your monetization model? Are you relying mostly on AdSense? Affiliate sales? Just wondering what it would look like if someone didn't accept text links or sponsored posts?
Right now, AdSense, affiliate arrangements, and cost per action ads. I ran in-text "double-underline" ads until I hit my payout threshold, then took them down (a little too ugly).
I get lots of offers for text links, sponsored posts, and the like. I try to ask if they'll do image ads. I'll take those (on a per-month basis at some cost per thousand impressions). Haven't had one of those go through in a while, though.
Advertisers sure do like the text links. They like even better not to have to pay for them.
Thanks. That's good info.
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11:50 am July 21, 2011
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Hey guys, here's an old post I ran across today on Copyblogger. I think it's very relevant to what we're discussing here.
How to Turn Affiliate Marketing Disclosure Into a Selling Point
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4:24 am July 23, 2011
| 101 Centavos
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Kris, I think your tailored guest post was just fine, and your friend needs to keep these kinds of opinions to herself. They don't help.
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