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When Should I Consider an LLC?

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8:14 am
March 13, 2014


MonicaOnMoney

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Hi everyone,

 

I'm considering making MonicaOnMoney an LLC and I've like to hear your thoughts on this topic. Have you incorporated your website/blog? Do you recommend it? At what point should I consdier it?

 

If anyone has written articles about making your blog an LLC, I'd love to read it and research more.

 

Thanks!

Monica Iannacone

http://www.MonicaOnMoney.com

9:00 am
March 13, 2014


allaboutinterest

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posts 15

Hi Monica,

 

I'm not to the point of having my blog become an LLC but my actual business I own is an LLC.  One of the big benefits is the liability protection.  In case you were ever sued, they could only go after your business and not your personal assets.  That's just one benefit.  If you treat your blog as a business then you should separate it as so.  It's so much easier to keep up with transaction and write off your expenses.  

 

It's funny, I was just asking my accounting yesterday about the benefits of an LLC versus an LP or LLP.  In short, an LLC filing as an S-Corp can get away from the Obama tax where an LP cannot due to listing income as active versus passive.  This only applies when you have a significant amount of profit though.  

 

I'm sure there's plenty of other benefits.

12:09 pm
March 13, 2014


MonicaOnMoney

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Thanks for providing some clarification! Probably the biggest benefit to me is knowing that if I were ever sued, I would have liability protection for my personal assets. At this point, I'm leaning towards setting up the LLC.

 

I'm wondering if there are any potential downsides of setting up an LLC for my blog.

 

Thanks!

Monica Iannacone

http://www.MonicaOnMoney.com

1:53 pm
March 13, 2014


Larry @ The Skilled Investor

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Post edited 1:55 pm – March 13, 2014 by Larry @ The Skilled Investor


I agree with the comment to make some money first. However, I note that you are in Florida, so I do not know the laws and costs. In California, an LLC sets one up for paying $800 in business taxes every year that partnerships and sole-proprietorships do not pay.

Regarding liability, you are in law school I see, so you are learning the law. I did not read it, but you have disclaimers and disclosures on your site already. Look into any laws that might affect what you are saying on the web, but it is difficult to come up with scenarios that make you substantially vulnerable, if you stay clear of libel and personal attacks, which does not seem your style.

As for financial information, the laws regarding advice are centered on specific advice given to a specific individual, especially when paid for directly or indirectly, not to general information. If bad financial website information got bloggers in trouble, well, the jails would be …  

Also, associated with personal liability, if you have accumulated significant assets that could draw a predator, then an LLC might make more sense. If not, it might not be worth the potential cost and hassle. LLCs require more administrative attention than partnerships and sole-proprietorships. If you do not cross all the T's along the way, an LLC might be a more fragile shell that could be pierced in a legal action. However, something like legalzoom might help, but that is still low cost, but not free.

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5:59 pm
March 13, 2014


debtroundup

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It depends on how your state handles LLC's.  My state provides a single member LLC status which is super easy to handle administratively.  All of your income flows onto your 1040, but you still have protection if you follow the rules and don't pierce the corporate veil.  That being said, I know the IRS changed the way single member LLC's do their W4 and they now have to put their social security numbers on there. Before, you could just put your EIN, which kept your SSN out of circulation. I think it was a stupid move, but it is the IRS.

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8:01 am
March 14, 2014


Jackie

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I wrote on this a while back for one of my blogs (see this post) if you want the pros & cons of it from my (non-legal) perspective. I do have my blogs in an LLC, but really only because I needed to set up the LLC anyway for my iPhone app. Plus it's very easy and inexpensive to do so in Arizona.

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9:41 am
March 14, 2014


MonicaOnMoney

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Thanks for the advice everyone, it helps to have a conversation with people who understand. And Jackie, thank you, I'll read your post too.

 

Anyone else have posts on LLCs?

1:10 pm
March 14, 2014


Eric – PersonalProfitability.com

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I have an LLC that covers all of my online businesses and sites. Cost to setup in Colorado was $50 per year. Very easy online forms. It is important to keep all of your finances for the biz separate to keep the LLC protections. Also, make sure to keep very good records for taxes if you go that route.

8:40 am
March 16, 2014


Barbara Friedberg

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In additional to an llc (which I have) I'm looking into errors and omissions insurance. Does anyone have any info?

 

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2:08 pm
March 17, 2014


FrugalRules

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We actually just met with our insurance contact today for E&O coverage for our business. We already have an established LLC, but have been putting off E&O coverage for too long. He had a fairly extensive application we had to fill out and apparently has quite a bit of underwriting involved. Most of it goes through The Hartford, so hopefully we should end up with a good policy.

11:55 am
March 18, 2014


Barbara Friedberg

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Frugal, do you have a ball park annual cost?? Why and how did you choose this insurance company. Keep us posted and thank you.

1:19 pm
March 18, 2014


FrugalRules

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The rep we work with said it would likely be in the neighborhood of $1200 – $1400 annually. He said that for the most part you really can't get E & O coverage for anything less than $1000/year. We spoke with 4-5 insurance reps as well as USAA, who we have most of our personal coverage through, and they all said that they deal with The Hartford so I guess they're known for E & O coverage. SmileThat said, I'll definitely update as to when we get our final quote.

1:18 pm
March 19, 2014


Larry @ The Skilled Investor

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In the dot bomb era, I co-founded a venture funded start-up and managed the administrative side of the business in addition to business development and marketing functions. I had a competent lawyer on staff, as well. We had to purchase directors / E&O coverage, as a matter of course. Frankly, it was not really clear what one actually got for the coverage, but we never got into a situation to find out whether the policy was a guard of steel or cheesecloth. What was clear was that the coverage was not cheap.

When running a website or two it makes sense, obviously, to generate some revenue before finding ways to spend that revenue. Presuming that one has established a reasonable revenue stream to protect, then is E&O insurance needed? If your website is part of the front-end to business with other components and revenues, then E&O might make sense. If one has just a financial website, that is not connected to a backend business or if the website is legally and properly cordoned off from that business, then maybe not.

I have seen a variety of financial planning clients over the years who have demonstrated a range of approaches to insurable risks in their person plans. They have ranged from under-covered to Goldilocks to over-covered. However, along this spectrum has been an obvious increase in annual premiums for risk coverage – whatever its quality. This increasing insurance premium expenditure competes with long-term savings and inhibits the ability to grow assets with would allow them to self-insure for many risk contingencies. Depending upon assets, I tend to focus on making sure that catastrophic coverages across a range of risks are in place with high deductibles that bring down premiums.

With high deductibles, another behavior tends to kick in. Since the person would have to eat the deductible, they might adjust their behaviors and be more knowledgeable and cautious about risky behaviors. How does this relate to websites? Anybody can sue anyone about practically anything, but the question is whether they will prevail and what the cost might be to defend oneself without insurance.

Early on in blogging, I bought a primer on libel and related topics, so that I could understand the law. What I learned was that the laws essentially model decent inter-personal human behavior. So, I really did not learn much. I already knew how to control the content I permit to be published on my websites and how not to paint a target on those websites. Moderating all comments or not permitting comments on some websites handles the rest.

There is a huge moral hazard with certain types of insurance coverage, and E&O is one of those. One of the reasons why E&O premiums are so high is because of ignorant and careless business managers. People say a lot of stupid things on the web, but a responsible website owner can make sure that those things are said on their website. Do responsible website managers need to sort themselves into an insurance pool with those who may be more careless and thus pay for the bad behavior of others? Insurance is always a judgement call.

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8:46 am
March 24, 2014


RootofGood

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Post edited 9:10 am – March 24, 2014 by RootofGood


FrugalRules said:

The rep we work with said it would likely be in the neighborhood of $1200 – $1400 annually. He said that for the most part you really can't get E & O coverage for anything less than $1000/year. We spoke with 4-5 insurance reps as well as USAA, who we have most of our personal coverage through, and they all said that they deal with The Hartford so I guess they're known for E & O coverage. SmileThat said, I'll definitely update as to when we get our final quote.

We used The Hartford for E+O insurance back when I started a consulting biz during college.  It was around $500/yr for a million bucks coverage or something like that.  That was in NC.  

 

For my blog and freelancing, it's a sole proprietorship.  I may do an LLC eventually if the revenue goes beyond what I consider a well paid hobby level.  More for the ease of administration and to facilitate an exit strategy.  

 

I don't consider the liability protection worth very much (as a retired attorney).  You're still personally liable for your own actions that you do yourself.  If I write an article suggesting XYZ mutual fund is a good investment, and they sue me for making a recommendation that subsequently lost money, they would name me individually as a defendant as well as my LLC (if I had one).  There isn't any issue of corporate veil-piercing in this case since you can always be sued (even for frivolous BS!) in an individual capacity for your own actions.  

 

Oh, by the way, please don't take this as legal advice for your particular situation.  Consult your own properly credentialed attorney or accountant in your own jurisdiction.  :)

 

Edited to add: On second thought, the liability protection of an LLC could be useful if you outsource some work (like comment moderation) or have guests posts or posts from staff writers.  I don't personally outsource anything so I was answering the question from my small time blogger perspective.  :)

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