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Wise Bread editor Q&A about the top 100 list

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12:06 pm
November 5, 2010


Barbara Friedberg

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Thank you for coming to us directly. I hate to say it, but even though my ranking is lower than before, I understand the change! I also wanted to let you know I had an issue recently which was resolved to my satisfaction.

I'm excited about the future changes!

Best regards, Barb

12:17 pm
November 5, 2010


Betty Kincaid

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posts 44

Will,

Greg Go sent me a follow-up email telling me to activate the feedburner API and letting me know he fixed our long standing problem, which turned out to be a typo in our blog feed. 

 

Letting bloggers update our own data will save time, money and complaints-brilliant. 

 

Thanks for being a part of our community and for your immediate response to my problem.

B

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3:40 pm
November 5, 2010


TightFistedMiser

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Will,  Thanks for the explanation. 

Your explanation makes sense but my first thought after reading it was the same as My Journey to Million's.   It appears that if I deleted my Twitter account I could move up enough in the rankings to go from the third page to the second page.  I don't have any intention of doing that but I can see how people might be tempted to delete their low performing metrics.  If people can game a system they will.

 

I hope that doesn't sound like too much complaining.  I do appreciate WiseBread providing the rankings and I know there is no way to make them perfect but I want to make sure they are as accurate as possible.

8:13 pm
November 5, 2010


Wise Bread

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Thank you guys for the great responses.   Smile

I love how passionate you guys are about the rankings.  But please keep in mind we're not done tweaking the WiseScore yet.  We're going to add several more metrics and functionalities in upcoming months that I think you'll be pleased with.

Advertisers and journalists are asking questions like:

– "Who in your chart represents [insert demographic here] and has good following on Twitter?"

– "Which blogger has personal experience with [brand X] and can talk to my editor today?"

– "Who are the top 10 bloggers with certified financial credentials?"

– "Who is an up-and-coming blogger that will be in the top 50 in a year?"

– "Who is easy to work with? (i.e. meet deadlines, keep confidential info, ethical about disclosure, etc.)"

 

We're working on ways to help answer those questions, by creating detailed surveys and measuring things like how easy you are to work with, and how popular you are among PF bloggers.  That's where you guys really shine, and we want to highlight those aspects of your success!  While Alexa, Feedburner, and Compete scores are a good start, they do not tell the complete story.  

I've exchanged a few emails with Amy about the issue but haven't seen any changes to our listing.

This is entirely the fault of the Wise Bread management (including me) and not Amy's fault.  She's a great kid (recent college grad) and hard worker!  But unfortunately we've been loading too much work on her.  For a while there she was probably doing the work of 2-3 people.  Again, this is not an excuse.  Just wanted to let you guys know it was my fault in not hiring more people sooner.  All the recent growth is exciting, but it also means we're suddenly in a new position of having to manage and hire more people than ever before.  So much for the myth about blogging being a solo pursuit.  Wink

 

Now that I've activated the Awareness API, hopefully it will do the trick!

Thanks Jackie!  Your stat has been updated.  

Will, I wanted to thank you for joining the forum

Thank you guys and Sam for giving me the opportunity Kay Lynn!

… wouldn't I go shut off my RSS information through the API that you were talking about, I'll shoot up again…. It seems that if you are looking for overall awesomeness you would force people to provide that info by giving them a ZERO for not reporting/participating…. 

That is a very sharp observation Evan.  Wink

You have pinpointed a problem we are trying to solve right now.  There's a couple solutions:

Option 1: Current model of not counting the missing score and give no penalty.  Like you pointed out, it may create a perverse incentive to hide stats.

Option 2: Give the missing stat a score of 0, thus penalizing the person for not having the stat (i.e. your suggestion).  We seriously considered this option, but decided the current model is slightly better.

In the Peter and Jane example, under this model Jane would have an average score of 53 points.  Which would be fair if she was gaming the system by avoiding the test, but seems unduly harsh if she really was sick that day.  

Option 3: Not use Feedburner stat.  About 70% of bloggers use Feedburner so this is not one of our favorite options.

Option 4:  Figure out a better formula.  We're certainly still looking for a better way to deal with missing stats.  If you have any additional suggestions please let us know!

Like I mentioned earlier, most people using our chart are not focused only on the rankings.  They have very specific questions about the bloggers listed, and the more stats you share, the more likely you are to get those opportunities.  

Sure, a person can gain a couple of spots by removing their Feedburner and Twitter stat, but they'll end up shooting themselves in the foot. Every missing stat will hurt your ability to get opportunities.  Editors are hiring bloggers for writing gigs because they think bloggers have loyal readers and great social media reach.  They are not going to hire someone without a Feedburner/Twitter stat.

However, the Money Crashers' list picks it up, so I assume it's broadcasting correctly.

Thanks for the heads up Evan!  I just checked out Money Crasher's Feedburner column, and it looks like they are using a different API to get the feedburner stats.  We'll do some testing.  If this other API is more stable, we'll definitely consider switching.  We're using the direct API from feedburner itself, but ironically that doesn't always mean it is the best way to access the data.

I've activated the feedburner api. Now, I just have to wait for that and my Klout score to catch up and hope it has an impact!

Awesome Heather!  Thank you so much for the activation.

 I also wanted to let you know I had an issue recently which was resolved to my satisfaction.

That's good to know Barb.  I appreciate you all being so patient with us during this beta period.

Letting bloggers update our own data will save time, money and complaints-brilliant.

Awww thanks for your kind words.  I'll be sure to pass them along to Greg.  He is quite brilliant (Google tried to recruit him last year).  But I'll never tell him that to his face.  Got to keep him humble and hungry.  Laugh

I hope that doesn't sound like too much complaining.

Ha ha not at all Andy!

The day you stop giving us feedback is the day you stop caring about the chart.  I'll always welcome your ideas!

Feel free to continue asking questions on this thread, or email our support staff here.

5:29 am
November 6, 2010


MissThrifty

UK

Member

posts 46

Hi Will,

 

The new Top 100 looks fabulous! Sadly, I have an ongoing problem with the list. I was on it from day one, but my ranking suddenly disappeared a couple of months back.

 

All my info is still there, and all my stats have been updated in line with the new-look list:

http://www.wisebread.com/top-1…..ss-thrifty

 

However I don't appear anywhere on the list itself! I have contacted Wise Bread about this, but haven't had a response. Eek! Have I done something bad?

 

If this issue could be resolved, I would be immensely grateful.

 

Future: it would be great to be able to group bloggers by country, as with the AdAge 150 list.

 

Thanks lots,

 

Karyn

http://www.miss-thrifty.co.uk

4:58 pm
November 7, 2010


Wise Bread

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posts 12

Hi Karyn,

A country category sounds lovely.  We will definitely implement that somewhere down the line!

Your ranking should be fixed.  It was totally our bad.  Thanks for letting us know.

11:24 am
November 8, 2010


MissThrifty

UK

Member

posts 46

Yippee! Thanks Will.

12:09 pm
November 8, 2010


Sandy @ yesiamcheap

New York, NY

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Post edited 12:16 pm – November 8, 2010 by sandy@yesiamcheap


I'd love to change the link of my feed.  I changed to a different blogging platform and tried to have the feed link changed and it's not happening.  Also, if we add things like twitter, facebook, etc. I'd love to be able to update those things. I know that there are a lot of blogs to keep track of and this might be a daunting task, but it would be great if bloggers could do a contact form specifically for profile updates.  Thanks! 

 

Keep up the good work.

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http://www.yesiamcheap.com.

8:53 pm
November 8, 2010


Wise Bread

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posts 12

Hi Sandy!

Thank you for your kind words.  Is this the right feed URL?

http://yesiamcheap.com/feed/

Our tech support folks tell me that this is not a Feedburner feed, and I'm afraid we can only support Feedburner feeds at this time. (If I'm wrong please let me know!)

If there's enough demand for it, we might also develop some basic help doc in the future regarding how to switch over to Feedburner service. 

9:21 pm
November 8, 2010


Sandy @ yesiamcheap

New York, NY

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Wise Bread said:

Hi Sandy!

Thank you for your kind words.  Is this the right feed URL?

http://yesiamcheap.com/feed/

Our tech support folks tell me that this is not a Feedburner feed, and I'm afraid we can only support Feedburner feeds at this time. (If I'm wrong please let me know!)

If there's enough demand for it, we might also develop some basic help doc in the future regarding how to switch over to Feedburner service. 


Ahhh!  Okay I just signed up then.  I'll figure out how to change everything over.  Thanks for the insight.  http://feeds.feedburner.com/yesiamcheap

I'm digging my way out of some serious debt at

http://www.yesiamcheap.com.

3:46 pm
November 23, 2010


Buy Like Buffett

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posts 1682

Wise Bread said:

Thank you Mark.  The chart is a constant work in progress.  We'd love to hear your feedback on how we can improve it and make it more useful for you a motivational and marketing tool.  

For example, what metrics, challenges, or achievements would you like to see?  What would you like to get out of the chart? Opportunity for advertising, paid writing gigs, contacts with top bloggers, recognition from journalists, etc? 


Hi Will,

 

My stats on the Top Financial Blogs on Wisebread have been out of whack for the last month and a half. I sent a few emails about getting them updated but never heard back. Do you know who I could contact about fixing them?

Thanks.

 

Mark

 

 

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4:53 pm
November 23, 2010


justheather

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posts 160

I wonder how often this updates now. I added Feedburner 3 weeks ago, but it hasn't pulled any subscribers yet. My Klout score is also way off – I'd really like to see where we rank once the kinks are ironed out.

Heather Sokol, niche blogger

Founder of Inexpensively

8:03 pm
November 23, 2010


Khaleef @ KNS Financial

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None of my information has updated in the last 3 weeks! My feedburner stats have never been included, and my Klout score and Twitter followers were off as well. I sent an email a few days ago, but haven't heard anything yet. Of course I have now dropped to 250. I hope this gets fixed soon so I can see where I really rank.

Khaleef "Fat Guy" Crumbley

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3:54 pm
February 22, 2011


Betty Kincaid

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Is anyone else having problems with this ranking?

 

After disappearing and, thanks to this thread, reappearing; we've gone missing again.  I'm beginning to think Wisebread just doesn't like usFrown

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5:22 pm
February 22, 2011


JT_McGee

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Betty Kincaid said:

Is anyone else having problems with this ranking?

 

After disappearing and, thanks to this thread, reappearing; we've gone missing again.  I'm beginning to think Wisebread just doesn't like usFrown


It was down for the last 4-5 days.  I went to check my ranking to add to a round-up, and no-go, down until yesterday, I think.  I'm guessing there are some kind of database issues going on.

JT McGee – MoneyMamba

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6:27 pm
February 22, 2011


Sustainable PF

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It's still out of date – my twitter followers and alexa are way off.

I also dislike how sites that don't submit info about this or that (no ranking) don't get penalized for "omitting" their RSS readers or what not.  I remember that before I told Wisebread about our (low) twitter and RSS readers we were ranked around 320 – then I told them our feed/twitter names and we dropped 150 places.  I'd guess people who don't provide some data are doing so for a reason.

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7:49 pm
February 22, 2011


brokeprofessionals

New Jersey

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I only have 100 subscribers so I would probably drop, but my Alexa ranking is way off, it does not show my feed or a klaut score, and I have not been able to have this addressed up until now.  Any thoughts on how to get in line with Wise Bread?

9:59 am
April 15, 2011


Sustainable PF

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posts 2759

Officially requested to be removed from the list.

An advertiser mentioned that our stats showing on our site did not match those on Wisebread (not updated for 4 -6 weeks now). 

We can't afford to be on a list that is not updated regularly/properly if it impacts advertising opportunities.  We hope they fix this list soon and we'll re-apply to be on it.

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3:52 pm
April 15, 2011


Budgeting in the Fun Stuff

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My feed subscribers and Twitter followers are off by a bunch as well.

Crystal

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7:56 am
April 16, 2011


Pat S

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I requested to have my information removed as well. It has been months since an update, and it makes my site look much worse statistically than it has been performing. 

 

 

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