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1:26 pm October 8, 2011
| PK @ DQYDJ
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Normally when PF writers talk about budgeting for the unexpected, they are talking about negative things – health expenses, forced early retirement, car repair – I'd rather focus on the positive. My wife is in Interior Design sales and I'm a Computer Engineer. As you can guess, her commission can vary wildly, while my salary is 100% predictable (and I can predict my other compensation). In a nutshell, we live on my salary, and my additional compensation and her commission checks are happy accidents.
I know how we handle it, but does anyone else find themselves in this situation? I suppose it's similar to those of you making a living off your web sites.
So, let me ask, how do you budget for unexpected income?
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1:52 pm October 8, 2011
| Pat S
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Well, for me any unexpected income or side income (from writing for example) goes straight into a tax exempt municipal bond fund with the goal of creating a new source of passive income without incurring taxes, and offering the potential for capital appreciation. But that's just me.
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9:39 pm October 8, 2011
| Shannyn @FrugalBeautiful.com
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I will just respond by saying, this hasn't been too much of an issue, but I really should put some time aside for figuring it out. Typically even small amounts of unexpected income (gifts, bonuses, extra hours at work) go into the black hole of my finances- I probably should set aside a purpose for it since I have "automatic pay yourself first" intentions set up for all of my other income, this is probably my weak spot!
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10:17 am October 9, 2011
| Jackie
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I treat unexpected or "extra" income the same way I treat "regular" income — basically just following along with what I have planned. I don't see why it needs to be treated differently than income from a job. Although, I do usually just blow small amounts of money that I get as gifts, because I figure they're intended to treat me, and I'm all for that ;)
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7:50 am October 11, 2011
| Sunil from The Extra Money Blog
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agreed with most. i don't really treat it any different. i have a few investment avenues which are all prioritized and any extra income is distributed in those buckets, of course after paying myself, tithing/charity and indulging a bit with friends and family
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7:55 am October 11, 2011
| Jeff @ Sustainable Life Blog
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I've heard a lot of different ways to do this – some take the lowest month on record for variable income and live off that, save the rest.
With me for gifts and things, I usually have the desire to send it to debt, but I got yelled at one christmas for doing that. Now, I try and buy something i've been wanting for a while with about 10-15% of it, then save/pay down debt with the remainder.
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8:32 am October 13, 2011
| PK @ DQYDJ
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Thanks for the replies, all.
Pat – Interesting strategy on developing the Muni fund stream. What maturities do you target? Are you worried about Meredith Whitney's note last year about potential defaults? On the other hand, yields will rise if Munis lose their tax deductibility for $250,000+ earners, so maybe it's not all bad news.
FrugalBeautiful – Haha, I wouldn't call it an 'issue' as it's certainly appreciated! I reevaluate my investment targets frequently, but as my wife earns more (she switched up her lines, so it's tough to predict) it might start to become a chore having to constantly rebalance.
Jackie – Nothing wrong with gifts! For us, the only reason it's different is because projects take a while to pay out and some months she'll earn $0 from that business – so monthly earnings appear like a roller coaster on a chart.
Sunil – Like max out IRAs, then max out 401(k)s? That sort of thing? Once you hit that target, where do you put the balance? I definitely indulge too, I just think that having the commissions come in is an interesting 'challenge' to my Personal Finance thinking.
Jeff – Lowest month on record is $0 (and it happens somewhat frequently), haha. It seems a lot of people use it to pay gifts – probably a good idea since we're entering the busiest shopping season now.
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8:43 am October 13, 2011
| BeatingBroke
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Jeff @ Sustainable Life Blog said:
I've heard a lot of different ways to do this – some take the lowest month on record for variable income and live off that, save the rest.
With me for gifts and things, I usually have the desire to send it to debt, but I got yelled at one christmas for doing that. Now, I try and buy something i've been wanting for a while with about 10-15% of it, then save/pay down debt with the remainder.
I make it very plain that any cash/checks that I get for gifts will likely be added to the overall pool of cash and used to pay a bill. But, most everybody gets me amazon cards anymore, so that the yelling part isn't usually a problem.
Any extra income/bonuses/etc that we get get added to the incoming pool and go out based on our budget. If our budget is full and we still have extra, it goes to the first bill on the list of our debt snowball.
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9:00 am October 13, 2011
| Jason@LiveRealNow
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I spend a little bit of it frivolously, and drop the rest on debt.
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11:44 am October 13, 2011
| JT_McGee
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Post edited 11:45 am – October 13, 2011 by JT_McGee
I put self-employed people and business owners in their own category, then commission workers in another.
Commission-based jobs require that you have an "income emergency" fund, with the whole of your monthly income going into it. If you pull out 85-90% of your average after-tax income each month to allocate in your budget, then you should be fine. The extra can go to other savings, or wherever when you rebalance it once a year.
Self-employed people/business owners face another problem. I used to ("used to" being very important here) work with small business people, and I can tell you exactly how every single one that failed, failed. All of them considered their income to be business revenues minus total expenses each month. Basically, every single ounce of equity was drained from the business. What would happen is that when things got rough they would cut back on long-term investments in the business in order to boost their income. That's the most expensive way to "borrow" money, but none of them "got it."
They could just cut, and cut, and cut more from expenses that were not completely 100% necessary to keep the lights on and still get by just fine. Being in the business of selling a long-term investment (marketing), I can't even begin to tell you the amount of people that literally DRAINED their businesses of any equity to eventually find that revenues slowly decreased even as the economy turned around. Nothing is more annoying than to have a customer cut back on a very fundamental part of their business because "Sally's going back to college" or "our car needed a $3,000 repair last week." That $1,500 pimped out apartment or $3,000 car repair sure cost them a lot of money, but few ever realize it because business owners that fail never count lost revenues as an expense. Drives me up the wall.
And that's the end to my rant; I could probably write a book on the insanity of small business owners. Those that want to be big businesses become big businesses, those that want to stay small forever usually go out of business due to things that are, in a large part, in their control.
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8:39 pm October 13, 2011
| PK @ DQYDJ
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BeatingBroke – Amazon gift cards are literally as good as cash for me. Love receiving those!
Jason – Yeah, can't save it all or you won't know how to have fun when you finally do retire. "Now what?"
JT – She owns the business, but she operates more as an Outside Saleswoman who reps a number of lines. She gets her commission when the projects actually order, so there is a decent lag time even after she closes the deal. Since she switched all her lines this year we haven't got a feel for the revenue yet (plus we got married in August, so there's a plan but it's all new).
Of course, my salary is predictable, so we've just been living on that and investing the remainder.
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5:14 pm October 14, 2011
| TightFistedMiser
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Since my wife and I are self-employed most of our income is unexpected income. We can't really predict how much we will make in a given month. If we have a much better than normal month we put extra in savings and maybe have a small splurge.
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10:34 am October 15, 2011
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I am self employed now and never know what I will make for sure, but I made sure I was making at least $3750 NET before I quit my day job. I have all of my blogging income forwarded to an ING account named "Blogging Income" that was padded with $10,000 and it is set up to automatically pay our ING checking account $1150 every two weeks as my paycheck and $500 every two weeks to our tax account (that also gets more put into it monthly).
At the end of the billing month, anything over $10,000 is handled as follows: I move 33% of it to our tax account and the rest is split between the Emergency Fund/Savings account (25%), the Extra Cash for Investments account (35%), the Vacation account (20%), and our two individual Fun Money accounts (10% each).
Here's the post I wrote about exactly how we budget: http://www.budgetinginthefunst…..-i-budget/
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7:38 am October 18, 2011
| PK @ DQYDJ
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TightFist – I think the splurge is one of the go-to options, haha!
Crystal, thanks for the input. I'd love to get a system like this set up – very thorough. Nice work!
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2:03 pm October 18, 2011
| Jeff @ Sustainable Life Blog
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Nice system set-up crystal I'd like to set up something similar for when I get married, but I'm not sure the percentages or the amounts quite yet.
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10:32 am October 19, 2011
| FamilyMoneyValues
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I'm not sure what we do would be called budgeting for unexpected income. We don't have that much to start with. The unpredictable income we do have is generally from interest and dividends (which in reality isn't all that unexpected) – and it always goes back into some form of investment account.
The only other (thank you Crystal!) income we have now if the trickle we are starting to get from FMV. Half of it goes right into the business account in case we need it to pay taxes. The other half will be used to improve the site – new design, marketing, software and etc.
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1:57 pm October 19, 2011
| Budgeting in the Fun Stuff
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Jeff @ Sustainable Life Blog said:
Nice system set-up crystal I'd like to set up something similar for when I get married, but I'm not sure the percentages or the amounts quite yet.
My husband and I looked at our priorities and that's just how the chips fell. :-)
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2:07 pm October 19, 2011
| Jeff @ Sustainable Life Blog
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Thanks crystal!
Budgeting in the Fun Stuff said:
Jeff @ Sustainable Life Blog said:
Nice system set-up crystal I'd like to set up something similar for when I get married, but I'm not sure the percentages or the amounts quite yet.
My husband and I looked at our priorities and that's just how the chips fell. :-)
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