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7:54 am May 4, 2012
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I recently read a good post entitled, "Money Changes You" on Finance Fox which made me thing about how we not only admire folks with money, but envy them as well.
We can't help but compare ourselves to others, however, what I've realized from reading the post is that a large part of our envy/displeasure towards others with money is due to how money changed them! Attitudes and personalities change with a quick surge in money, and that is when stones start being thrown.
Agree? Let me know after you read the post.
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5:07 am May 9, 2012
| Edward Antrobus
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Not going to have time to read the post before work, but my quick thoughts. In general, I would agree. I went to a high school with a pretty large income disparity. A lot of poor and lower-middle class farming and blue-collar families from one town, and a lot of upper middle-class white-collar professional families in the next. It wasn't universal, but the kids from the wealthier families seemed to act more entitled. That maybe isn't the best word for what I'm looking to describe. They would always just assume that the money was going to be there and it could be spent as they wished. Us poorer kids knew that the trip to Italy just wasn't going to happen, no matter how many times the richer kids asked us if we were going.
Looking at adults, I see similar patterns playing out. People who have money tend to assume that money is always available for whatever purpose, everyone has money and if you don't, it's your fault.
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3:49 pm May 9, 2012
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Money changes you if you don't have a values/ethics base that your parents taught or that you learn and internalized. There are also back story and reasons for how someone act that you may not be aware of.
The adage about old money vs. new money is very valid. There is a very good reason why old old money avoid semi-old money and new money.
It's similar to how people think about business when they have different levels of companies. How I think about business is radically different than someone who is a one person firm. The problems/issues are different.
If I chose to cut off a $10K donation, someone can blame me for being greedy vs. understanding that our licenses just went up 1000% & cost an extra $100K. (Yep, that happened in January)
The single wo/man firm has much fewer things to consider so their attitudes will be different and can be attributed to money vs. circumstances.
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9:35 am May 11, 2012
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Money changed me so much I lost a lot of money and then one the way back up to making money it changed me to not be the changeable guy that ultimately changed me in the first place. In a nutshell YES it changes people.
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10:13 am May 13, 2012
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Post edited 10:18 am – May 13, 2012 by FI Fighter
Yes, I believe money can change you, but it doesn't always have to be for the worse. The whole admiration / envy thing forces people to focus on the negatives: greed, corruption, ego, etc. But there are also those who come into money, and instead, use it to enhance the lives of everyone they come into contact with.
I once worked for a boss who has since ascended into the position of technical director. He was the most giving, and thoughtful person I have ever come across. He used his position, power and wealth to focus on the needs of the less fortunate. He was a generous tipper, donated to charity, and would oftentimes treat his team out to a nice meal, and foot the bill himself. Most impressive was how he treated everyone with the utmost respect. There was no hidden agenda for self gain, as he once told me that he felt extremely blessed in life, so wanted to give back as best he could. So, instead, he was a model of inspiration and righteousness. There was no doubt he left a positive impression on everyone who came into contact with him. Unfortunately, this type of story isn't one to sell magazines, or attract viewers on tv. But it is reassuring, at least to me, that it exists, and can be found in the world.
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3:24 pm May 15, 2012
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FI Fighter said:
Yes, I believe money can change you, but it doesn't always have to be for the worse. The whole admiration / envy thing forces people to focus on the negatives: greed, corruption, ego, etc. But there are also those who come into money, and instead, use it to enhance the lives of everyone they come into contact with.
I once worked for a boss who has since ascended into the position of technical director. He was the most giving, and thoughtful person I have ever come across. He used his position, power and wealth to focus on the needs of the less fortunate. He was a generous tipper, donated to charity, and would oftentimes treat his team out to a nice meal, and foot the bill himself. Most impressive was how he treated everyone with the utmost respect. There was no hidden agenda for self gain, as he once told me that he felt extremely blessed in life, so wanted to give back as best he could. So, instead, he was a model of inspiration and righteousness. There was no doubt he left a positive impression on everyone who came into contact with him. Unfortunately, this type of story isn't one to sell magazines, or attract viewers on tv. But it is reassuring, at least to me, that it exists, and can be found in the world.
Ah yes, the issue of selling magazines and sensationalizing things. Glad your old boss was such a good guy!
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3:25 pm May 15, 2012
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Money and Risk said:
Money changes you if you don't have a values/ethics base that your parents taught or that you learn and internalized. There are also back story and reasons for how someone act that you may not be aware of.
The adage about old money vs. new money is very valid. There is a very good reason why old old money avoid semi-old money and new money.
It's similar to how people think about business when they have different levels of companies. How I think about business is radically different than someone who is a one person firm. The problems/issues are different.
If I chose to cut off a $10K donation, someone can blame me for being greedy vs. understanding that our licenses just went up 1000% & cost an extra $100K. (Yep, that happened in January)
The single wo/man firm has much fewer things to consider so their attitudes will be different and can be attributed to money vs. circumstances.
I find it annoying when people judge someone for giving less. I mean, seriously? Unless the person judging gives way more, even so, who is anybody else to judge what others do with their money?
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3:26 pm May 15, 2012
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Edward Antrobus said:
Not going to have time to read the post before work, but my quick thoughts. In general, I would agree. I went to a high school with a pretty large income disparity. A lot of poor and lower-middle class farming and blue-collar families from one town, and a lot of upper middle-class white-collar professional families in the next. It wasn't universal, but the kids from the wealthier families seemed to act more entitled. That maybe isn't the best word for what I'm looking to describe. They would always just assume that the money was going to be there and it could be spent as they wished. Us poorer kids knew that the trip to Italy just wasn't going to happen, no matter how many times the richer kids asked us if we were going.
Looking at adults, I see similar patterns playing out. People who have money tend to assume that money is always available for whatever purpose, everyone has money and if you don't, it's your fault.
That is probably a true observation. Thanks for sharing. In a similar vein, do people without money growing up tend to assume that money is always out of reach?
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8:33 am May 16, 2012
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Of course money changes you. As you move up Maslow's hierarchy of needs you stop worrying about having enough. I know several people who have gone from hungry poor to upper middle class and they deal with money very differently than those who have always had it.
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8:35 am May 16, 2012
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I'm wondering if anybody has gone the "screw making more money", let's go into academia route?
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4:52 pm May 16, 2012
| Edward Antrobus
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Financial Samurai said:
That is probably a true observation. Thanks for sharing. In a similar vein, do people without money growing up tend to assume that money is always out of reach?
For the most part, yes. Some consiously, some unconciously. But by and large, it seems that people without money, while they may dream of being rich, figure things probably aren't going to change all that much.
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11:50 pm May 16, 2012
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I'm wondering if anybody has gone the "screw making more money", let's go into academia route?
Actually, I hope to do sometime like this in the future – reach the point where I stop caring about making more money, leave my current job, and teach at a community college instead.
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4:11 am May 17, 2012
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FI Fighter said:
I'm wondering if anybody has gone the "screw making more money", let's go into academia route?
Actually, I hope to do sometime like this in the future – reach the point where I stop caring about making more money, leave my current job, and teach at a community college instead.
I always thought that'd be a nice transition into retirement. But that's many, many years off here!
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9:27 am May 17, 2012
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Money changes everyone, but I think that things like happiness are independent of the level of wealth, long term. Happiness is more dependent on security, love, gratification, status, etc… and money can help with those things, but given that our emotions evolved in a state where money didn't exist, I see it as more being an adjustment. If you just won the lottery, you're going to be ecstatic, and your base level of happiness will rise somewhat because you have less stress from work and bills. On the other hand, the euphoria is going to wear off and you'll have increased stress from demands from family, friends, etc…
I think it's important to look at money in terms of what it can do for us, and ensure that we remain the masters of that relationship and don't enslave ourselves to money.
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12:55 pm May 17, 2012
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Financial Samurai said:
I'm wondering if anybody has gone the "screw making more money", let's go into academia route?
Academia was my first plan, in a way. I originally went to school to be a science teacher, but after classroom experience, I decided against teaching kids. Possibly in the future, I will try for teaching at the college level.
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3:02 am May 30, 2012
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Financial Samurai said:
I'm wondering if anybody has gone the "screw making more money", let's go into academia route?
I'm a part time teacher at a local college but I don't think this counts lol, because it's a for profit organization and I sometimes feel like the school is ripping off the students. Especially the international students who have to pay more but receive the same education and training as other local students.
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8:52 am June 15, 2012
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Money certainly does change you! And we've all experienced it in the past! Remember when you were a child and you thought your parents had an unlimited pot of money, to buy anything you want? And now we're much more careful with your money (of course!).
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6:46 am August 25, 2012
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I don't think money changes a person.. i think it amplifies there true personality.. the more money you have the more freedom you have to be your own person.. be it an ass or good natured
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7:04 am September 12, 2012
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In the mental sense i would say that it does! whether it does in a positive or negative way depends entirely on the personality of that person. But envy from others is not something you can control.
I think I'de become a lot of generous, not that i'm not at the moment! haha
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7:39 am September 27, 2012
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It's got to change people I think. "If you're not enough without money, you'll never be enough with it". Great expression I say.
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