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Crap. My Page Rank just went to zero. What do I do now?

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10:31 am
May 7, 2014


Derek@LifeAndMyFinances

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I have never had my page rank go down, but as of May 5th it was apparently brought down to zero. Any advice for how I can bring it back up?

Derek @ Life And My Finances 

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10:54 am
May 7, 2014


moneystepper

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I don't know of any update in May, so it is strange that your site has fallen to 0.  Is it still the case? Maybe it is just a temporary blip.

 

I'm sure its not a significant factor, but you have a few w3c errors: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.LifeAndMyFinances.com&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0

11:20 am
May 7, 2014


Eric – PersonalProfitability.com

Portland, OR

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Login to Webmaster Tools and see what it says. That is always step one with PR questions.

2:51 pm
May 7, 2014


Derek@LifeAndMyFinances

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So I looked in my Webmaster Tools and found this message: "http://lifeandmyfinances.com/: Unnatural outbound links" – What is the next step? How do I find and remove (or no-follow) the links that are unnatural? Is there a way to get a list of them all?

Derek @ Life And My Finances 

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5:39 pm
May 7, 2014


AverageJoe

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posts 259

That sucks. 

 

By the way, I've had emails from three friends who've found their page ranks knocked down to zero in the last three weeks. It seems to be more on a rolling basis than one swoop as in the past.

6:48 am
May 8, 2014


Little House

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Mine also tanked, for the same reason – google slapped me with the "unnatural link" crap. As much as I'd like for google to go F-themselves, I'm going to have to go through my webmaster tools and figure out which links are dinging me, then resubmit my site. This isn't the first time this has happened to me, but last time it took a few weeks for my page rank to go back to what it was.

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1:58 pm
May 8, 2014


annielogue

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I've heard that this is happening to a lot of people; apparently Google is trying to clear out link farms. The solution is to add the "nofollow" tag to all your affiliate links.

 

Off to check my own page rank now . . .

 

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3:21 pm
May 8, 2014


debtroundup

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I have spoken with a handful of people who got slapped. This is a manual penalty, not a algorithmic one.  Google is putting the hand down on paid links and being a part of link farms.  You need to nofollow all of your links and then ask for reconsideration.  Do that, then go through and dofollow trusted links over time.  While affiliate links do need to have nofollow on them, you don't get penalized for them. Google knows they are affiliate links.

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7:05 pm
May 8, 2014


Derek@LifeAndMyFinances

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Thanks all for the helpful comments. I went through the painstaking process of changing every single one of my links to no follow last night (not an easy task when you have over 800 posts on your site). I have asked Google for reconsideration, and now I wait…. Sounds like it could take at least a month or more to see any change or get any kind of response.

Derek @ Life And My Finances 

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7:05 pm
May 8, 2014


OneCentAtatime

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Post edited 7:06 pm – May 8, 2014 by OneCentAtatime


Very sad to know about this. I went through this hell 2 years back. You can bring it back Derek, all the best!

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12:15 pm
May 9, 2014


Jackie

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Getting a manual action revoked can be either an enormously difficult process or easy, depending on what it is Google thinks you are doing.  My advice is if you WERE doing something that violates their guidelines and you want pagerank, immediately stop doing it, fix it, and then in your reconsideration request 'fess up, explain that you've fixed it, and promise never to do it again.  That's the "easy" way to get the action revoked. 

The difficult process comes in if you actually weren't doing anything on purpose to violate their guidelines. In that case, you've got to figure out what it is they think you're doing wrong (which could be a huge number of things, some of which are beyond your control) and then fix it.  Often "fixing it" in that case involves contacting people you don't know multiple times over an extended time period to ask them to change things on their web sites, then disavowing their sites if they don't eventually respond or you aren't able to contact them despite having tried via their web site, their info in whois, their social media, etc. When you submit your reconsideration requests (because it's likely to take more than one) in that case, in addition to promising to do everything you can to make sure whatever it is doesn't happen again, you've got to have thoroughly documented what you've done to try to fix it, including dates you've contacted others, etc. Use Google docs to do that.

One important note: Google will give you hints as to what the problem(s) is/are, but they won't come out and tell you for sure in detail and they won't give you complete or exhaustive examples, so don't expect them to.  They do try to help but seem to be limited in what they're allowed to say.

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12:18 pm
May 9, 2014


Jackie

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Post edited 12:19 pm – May 9, 2014 by Jackie


Derek@LifeAndMyFinances said:

Thanks all for the helpful comments. I went through the painstaking process of changing every single one of my links to no follow last night (not an easy task when you have over 800 posts on your site). I have asked Google for reconsideration, and now I wait…. Sounds like it could take at least a month or more to see any change or get any kind of response.

I'm not sure changing EVERY link to nofollow was a good idea — because you're essentially giving the signal that every one of your links goes to "untrusted" or "paid" content.  See https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/96569?hl=en for info on how they see nofollow.  Also the problem might not be on your site at all (and probably isn't, if the message was "unnatural" links.)  Email me if you want.

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9:58 am
May 29, 2014


Eric – PersonalProfitability.com

Portland, OR

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Any luck Derek? I know I'm late to the game, but Jackie is spot on. You don't want every link to be nofollow, only ads and things you don't trust. I put nofollow on carnivals (I could do an entire post in one click with Genesis SEO) and deleted roundups to be safe as well when they started going after people like this.

4:04 pm
May 29, 2014


Derek@LifeAndMyFinances

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Any luck Derek? I know I'm late to the game, but Jackie is spot on. You don't want every link to be nofollow, only ads and things you don't trust. I put nofollow on carnivals (I could do an entire post in one click with Genesis SEO) and deleted roundups to be safe as well when they started going after people like this.

Unfortunately, I am still a zero. As for the no follows, I did not no follow every single link, just the ones that were "sponsored" and should probably have been no followed in the first place. I suppose I should have been more educated about all of this long ago. Oh well. I hope to bounce back from this soon.

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10:57 am
June 2, 2014


Jake@iHeartBudgets.net

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I had this happen. NoFollowed the offending links (all the paid ones), submitted for reconsideration. Within 4 weeks had my PR back. Then slowly DoFollowed the links. Had been deleting/NoFollowing as they expire, and quit with paid links as of last August.

 

This is why i would only settle for a 1-year link, so I could eventually retire them. Almost all gone now, and some have actually asked for them to be deleted. Google is definitely bringing down the hammer on paid links.

 

On the bright side, I focused more on my brand and affiliate links, and my revenue has never been higher. Also, not posting spam has built reader trust, I always felt slimy putting those up. 

 

If I could give newbies any advice, is have a mission statement, and never lose sight of that mission. If you want to sell spammy links, go for it, but know you will get penalized and then just move on. If you want to build a brand and help people, then no direct ads, build readership and trust, and go with affiliate sales with integrity. :)

 

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12:27 pm
June 2, 2014


debt debs

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Does someone have a recommended article / primer that explains follow nofollow dofollow links to newbies? 

I found this article but to be perfectly honest, I'm still confused  http://www.wordstream.com/blog…..low-links#.

 

Basically I'm looking for a What to Do and What Not to Do list.

 

I recently did a post and I linked to some Wikipedia pages.  Is that bad?  Will I be penalized?

When should I put a NoFollow in any links in my posts, if at all?

Sorry, just a bit confused.  Lots to learn in limited chunks of time. Confused

Thanks for any inputs!

Debs

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8:54 pm
June 2, 2014


frugaling

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Post edited 8:55 pm – June 2, 2014 by frugaling


Debs,

Wikipedia isn't bad at all. NoFollow is a tag that you place on HTML links.

For instance, here's a link to wikipedia:

<a href="http://www.wikipedia.org">Wikipedia</a>

And with a NoFollow tag:

<a href="http://www.wikipedia.org" rel="NoFollow">Wikipedia</a>

All the NoFollow tag is saying is that Google (or another search engine) shouldn't follow the link to see where it goes. There robots that scour the Internet will not count that as a link out. 

NoFollow is only really needed when you're linking to something sponsored or ad-like. I use NoFollow for affiliate links. You don't need NoFollow for Wikipedia.

Matt Cutts explained it pretty well in this video:

Can nofollow links hurt my site's ranking?

Hope this helps!

Sam

5:28 am
June 3, 2014


debt debs

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Awesome!  Thanks, Sam!  You know I read that Matt Cutts article/video awhile ago but I was really new so a lot of it went over my head.  LOL

What does the term "Do Follow" mean?  Is it the same as "Follow"? Confused

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9:08 am
June 3, 2014


Derek@LifeAndMyFinances

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Update: I just discovered that Google has denied my reconsideration request on May 22. Here is their reason:

"Unnatural links from your site: Google detected a pattern of unnatural, artificial, deceptive, or manipulative outbound links on pages on this site. This may be the result of selling links that pass PageRank or participating in link schemes."

 

I don't get it. Any "unnatural" link that I have ever placed on my site has either been deleted or no-followed. The only other thing I can think of is the affiliate program that I have partnered with: "Ebuzzing". For them to control the ads, I have placed a code in my footer which allows them the power to update and remove various ads. Do you think this could be the culprit? 

 

–Derek

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9:26 am
June 3, 2014


Jackie

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debt debs said:

What does the term "Do Follow" mean?  Is it the same as "Follow"? Confused

"Do Follow" and "Follow" links are just a fancy way of saying regular links.  In other words, links that are not tagged with nofollow.  I would only nofollow paid links, links within sponsored posts (because those are paid links) and links people email you asking "hey could you nofollow or remove my link?" (because they are probably trying to get out from under Google's thumb.)

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