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Need some help with Google PageRank problem

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8:49 pm
September 30, 2010


pfincome

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Does anyone know any good tools or resources I can look into to figure out why my Google PR is 0.  My site has been live for 2.5 years and was at least a 1 in the first year.  I then made the mistake of adding Text Link Ads which I think took it back down to 0.  I have since cleared out any text link adverstisements but still can't seem to get above 0.

 

I also know that my site is not completely being penalized because it still shows up for man targeted keywords.  I understand PR is not everything but it is becoming frustrating and driving me nuts trying to figure out where the problem is coming from.

 

Appreciate any help!

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8:57 pm
September 30, 2010


Suba @ Wealth Informatics

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<start rant> Sorry not much help from me. I just want to add that I am also trying to figure out how to get out of 0. As far as I have read there is nothing we can do to increase PR. I never had any text link ads, but still didn't get a PR.</end rant>

So I don't think you text link ads were any problem to begin with, though I have heard they do get penalized.

To add some useful information, the only legitimate way to improve PR seems to get as many back links as you can from proper sites, not just directories that lists everything. And also keep your links relevant to the content of you blog.

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9:16 pm
September 30, 2010


pfincome

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Thanks for the info.  Strange thing is that I have a couple other niche sites that have hardly any links and have been live for 2+ years and both have a PR = 1.  My main site has lots of links to it but no ranking.

 

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2:07 am
October 1, 2010


BeatingBroke

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I'm in the same boat.  At one point, I had a PR = 2.  Now, it's a 0.  Not sure how or why it dropped.  Maybe text links, I dunno.  Whatever it was, they didn't like it much.  Haven't made it back up to anything yet.  If you find anything helpful, let us know.

9:08 am
October 1, 2010


Invest It Wisely

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I have a travel blog that rarely gets updated that has a PR of 2. My main site on the other hand… still PR 0. I'm still waiting for the google update. ;)

9:41 am
October 1, 2010


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I have no idea if Google has an actual schedule or they are completely random since my PR at BFS has been messed with multiple times in the past 6 months.  First they gave me a PR2 in March or April, then they decreased it to a PR1 in June, and just a couple of weeks ago it went back to PR2.  I hate Google PR and sincerely wish adverstisers would use Alexa or MOZ or something else because Google doesn't seem to be rational…

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9:55 am
October 1, 2010


BeatingBroke

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They used to do an update every quarter, and it was on a dependable schedule.  They've since changed that.  Or at least the rate at which they update the visible page rank.  The live pagerank actually updates in close to real time on their servers, but there is no way that I know of to check that, you can only check the visible PR which they update whenever they feel like.  And it doesn't seem like they update everybody at once anymore, but roll out a little at a time over several weeks.

10:01 am
October 1, 2010


Suba @ Wealth Informatics

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BFS,  Google has a "fulll" update (supposed to be per quarter but they have not done that since April) and partial updates. They have done partial updates, which as far as I can tell, mainly includes back link updates and some minor things atleast a few times since April. As it has been so long another full update is expected something soon in Oct. But who can say to big G what to do and when to do… I just wish I get out of PR0 :)

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11:54 am
October 1, 2010


Realm of Prosperity

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The quality of backlinks is very important here. Many sites may be receiving hundreds to thousands of backlinks but if you've been researching the web, many people say that a link from a PR5 site is MUCH more influential than 1000s of links from PR1 sites. I believe this is the area we should be targeting. Early this year, a post of mine ended up on LifeHacker (PR8) and I also guest posted on Free Money Finance (PR6). At the same time I also added text link ads on the site. By the April 2010 PR update, my blog jumped to PR4. So you can see why it may be difficult to raise PR. It will definitely take a few mentions from mainstream media to attain PR5+.

 

I'd suggest writing interesting content and reaching out for guest posting opportunities on blogs with high PRs – as high as you can get them. Also, interlink your pages. In every new post, try to link back to an older post of yours.

5:33 pm
October 1, 2010


justheather

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I am dying for the next PR update. Over the summer, I managed to get a backlink from cnn.com – that just has to be worth something! I was dropped from 3 to 2 after I started accepting some text links, but I'm hoping the strong cnn link will bump me back up, even without removing them. My traffic has increased & my actual search placement has improved during the last 6 months. I just need Google to update it so advertisers will recognize it.

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5:37 pm
October 1, 2010


Invest It Wisely

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justheather said:

I am dying for the next PR update. Over the summer, I managed to get a backlink from cnn.com – that just has to be worth something! I was dropped from 3 to 2 after I started accepting some text links, but I'm hoping the strong cnn link will bump me back up, even without removing them. My traffic has increased & my actual search placement has improved during the last 6 months. I just need Google to update it so advertisers will recognize it.


I think you need a lot of high quality backlinks to survive with text links in the homepage. In-content textlinks seem to work out better, though. Heck, I have plenty of in-content text links that were put there for free ;)

7:05 pm
October 1, 2010


Realm of Prosperity

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justheather said:

I am dying for the next PR update. Over the summer, I managed to get a backlink from cnn.com – that just has to be worth something! I was dropped from 3 to 2 after I started accepting some text links, but I'm hoping the strong cnn link will bump me back up, even without removing them. My traffic has increased & my actual search placement has improved during the last 6 months. I just need Google to update it so advertisers will recognize it.


Each page has its own PR. CNN linking to your homepage beats linking to your post (which contributes to the PR of your homepage).

When we sell text link ads, the PR is leaking from the homepage PR. The homepage PR will tend to drop even if we are receiving high quality backlinks because the incoming links are pointed towards posts. In essence, it'll take a few mentions to individual posts to pay for a single text link ad.

7:40 pm
October 1, 2010


justheather

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Sure, but CNN was just one of several strong links I've been working to build this year. They are a PR10 – that just has to matter. The decision to sell text links was a tough one, but I went with it after I was already dropped for including guest author links on my sidebar – some of the writers of really great content work for your typical paid link sites and we got dinged. It's frustrating because my mozrank is 4.6 and our traffic has increased so much.

Regardless, I'm doing well with traffic & affiliates. I just hope they update soon and we get a bit of a bump – much more I can take advantage of at 3 or 4.

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Founder of Inexpensively

8:07 pm
October 1, 2010


BeatingBroke

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I think one thing that we can all look forward to is that as traffic increases, what our PR is will become less and less important.  Even if you have a PR of 0, if you have traffic of hundreds of thousands, you're gonna get noticed and you'll get the advertisers regardless.  Now, we just need to get over that proverbial hump…

8:52 pm
October 1, 2010


Khaleef @ KNS Financial

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How would google know the difference between you putting up a "blogroll" or even helpful resources in your sidebar, versus selling links? Do they just penalize any links in the sidebar?

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9:50 pm
October 1, 2010


Glen Craig

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Even if you have a PR of 0, if you have traffic of hundreds of
thousands, you're gonna get noticed and you'll get the advertisers
regardless.

 

I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but do you know of any sites that get hundreds of thousands of page views with a PR 0?

 

It's like a chicken and the egg:

You tend to get more trafic as you get links which in turn can bump up your PR which will lead to more traffic…

12:55 am
October 11, 2010


mbhunter

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posts 198

KNS Financial said:

How would google know the difference between you putting up a "blogroll" or even helpful resources in your sidebar, versus selling links? Do they just penalize any links in the sidebar?


The folks at Google are among the smartest people on the planet.  I don't bet against their abilities on anything.

As for what they do and to whom, they don't talk much either.

I stopped selling text links three years ago.

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8:39 am
October 11, 2010


Khaleef @ KNS Financial

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mbhunter said:

KNS Financial said:

How would google know the difference between you putting up a "blogroll" or even helpful resources in your sidebar, versus selling links? Do they just penalize any links in the sidebar?


The folks at Google are among the smartest people on the planet.  I don't bet against their abilities on anything.
 

As for what they do and to whom, they don't talk much either.

I stopped selling text links three years ago.


Well, since they terminated my Adsense account without an explanation, I'm inclined to sell links to make up for the future lost income.

I guess that means I'll never go higher than my current PR1. 

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9:27 am
October 11, 2010


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I don't know why I went from a PR2 to a PR1 for several months, but I'm guessing it was for text links.  I also have no idea why I'm back to being a PR2 since I have more text links now.  Just a quick fyi that your PR1 could get worse if Google decides to penalize you and they will not tell you why about that either.

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12:10 pm
October 11, 2010


Khaleef @ KNS Financial

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Budgeting in the Fun Stuff said:

I don't know why I went from a PR2 to a PR1 for several months, but I'm guessing it was for text links.  I also have no idea why I'm back to being a PR2 since I have more text links now.  Just a quick fyi that your PR1 could get worse if Google decides to penalize you and they will not tell you why about that either.

Crystal


It seems like I just can't win with them. So far I only have one link up (and it's temporary). I'll only add more if it's worth it. Thanks for the tip, Crystal!

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