“Why do you give away so much information and advice?”
That’s a question I hear a lot. People say that I could be making a ton of money charging people as clients for a lot of the information I put in my blog or when I’m just just talking to someone casually. The thing is, I really enjoy talking to people about their businesses and financial matters. It gives me a sense of pride knowing that I can help a person to understand something that once confused them or give them ideas to improve their situation.
The question comes up a little bit more when people read my blog. Actually, it may be the second most commonly asked question after “What is that blog-thing you do?” But, to understand why I do what I do, people need to know the story behind my early professional experience.
An eye-opening experience
I started working at a small banking institution in order to get exposure to the banking and finance industry. It was part of my master plan to combine my ongoing education toward an accounting degree with this banking experience in order to move up the corporate ladder and set myself up with a comfortable life. I did gain a great deal of knowledge of how the consumer banking industry worked, but I also saw an absolutely ugly side as well.
I got to experience firsthand just how selfish and ruthless some people and businesses can be. The branch I worked in was located near a pretty large retirement community, and most of the customers were elderly folks who were essentially left there and forgotten about by their families. Many had lost their spouses, and to this day, I swear that a good number of them came in to the branch simply for the companionship. Even if it was just for a few fleeting moments, they simply wanted to have someone who would pay them some attention, and the excuse could be as meaningless as having a passbook updated to get it.
I was never the greatest salesperson when it came to selling anything other than myself, so I had been in trouble with management for my lack of sales. You see, banks make money by bringing in “new” funds so that they have more to lend out to other institutions (people as well) and the Fed Overnight Lending Rate you hear about is the interest the banks receive on the funds they lend to others. So, if you sell a new account, the customer brings in money from another institution, and that gave my employers more money to lend and earn interest on. That’s why so many banks would give away things like toasters, Pyrex cooking sets, cash bonuses, and other goodies to get people to bank with them.
Like I said, I was often behind in my sales, and was reprimanded and warned quite a bit about raising my numbers, but I just couldn’t do it. How could I consciously sell a second or third account to a person who never managed their own money before? How could I, in good conscience, recommend another checking account when some of these people would come in for assistance in balancing their existing checkbook? How could I take advantage of these people?
Well, I could, but I just chose not to. I finally told the assistant branch manager that I had enough of that crap. It was against my nature and morals to talk someone into doing things that not only weren’t in their best interest, but also potentially harmful as well. I asked her what if one of those people I sold an extra account to was her grandmother and she subsequently lost track of the money and started bouncing checks, costing her overdraft fees and losing money that she couldn’t afford to lose?
The response was one of those standard management responses about having to do what we are instructed to do to keep our jobs. My answer was that I wouldn’t do that and if they wanted to fire e because of it, I would understand but it would be more of a reflection on their own character than my abilities at this profession.
You know I left that meeting unemployed.
Finding myself
That’s where it all began. I realized that making money doesn’t have to mean stepping on people to reach new heights. From then on, I was determined not to be the one who takes advantage of people. I didn’t want to be the one who charged clients for every single second spent on the phone. I didn’t want to be the one who made every encounter with someone a sales pitch. I didn’t want to be the one who advised people to buy or use a certain product just because of the commission or kickback I would receive. I didn’t want to be the one who was responsible for inflicting financial harm.
That’s why on my business site, I don’t have any ads. That’s why when I talk to someone I’ll give them my business card and simply say “Take this in case you ever have any other questions” rather than make a push for them to hire me on the spot. I give advice and tips on the blog for the very reason I don’t do all of the other things I mentioned earlier. I do it because I like helping others and educating them to help themselves. It doesn’t always have to be about the money, and I was raised not to think that it is.
That is what blogging does for me. It allows me to potentially reach a large number of people with advice and ideas for improving anything from their business operations to tax understanding to how what works for one person may not work for all. It allows me to take my prior experiences in banking and a brief toe-dip into mortgage brokering, my current positions as tax accountant and business owner, and help others who may be where I have been. It also helps me to challenge people and hopefully get them to think for themselves rather than take the things they hear, see, and read at face value without considering how well it could apply to them on an individual level.
More than words
That’s also why I like this group so much. The motto “Selflessly Helping Others” is something that I can relate to and isn’t just lip service to me. From the members who build websites for a living telling someone how to solve a technical problem, to the countless “competitors” for reader attention giving the newbie advice on how to be more engaging, this group truly represents this slogan and philosophy. And that’s why I am so proud to be writing this member post and the newest inductee into the Network!
Sam’s note: If there’s I can think of who you should hire to do your taxes or get tax advice from it is Eric! Please visit Dollarversity and check out his tax business called GreenBridge Advisors!
Photo: The Windmills of Mykonos, 2011. SD.
Thanks for sharing your story and for being true to yourself about what you will and won’t do.
I owe it all to my parents. They made me who I am today
Eric – I’m thrilled to be in the same class as you. It’s good to learn a little more about you as well. It sounds like I have a similar background to you. I think bank employees, too often, push a specific product rather than sitting down and listening to what a customer needs. There’s nothing I hate more than when the guy in front of me is sold a credit card, then I’m sold a credit card, then the guy behind me is sold a credit card as if we’re all identical.
Yeah, talk about making people feel like clones, and not the banks not showing the commitment to treating people as important individuals as they claim. Glad to join with you!
It’s great to hear of someone who got booted from the banking industry because of their ethics. Not that I’m glad you lost your job, its just somehow uplifting to know that somewhere somewhen there was a guy actually looking out for the common man.
I’m not sorry it happened. It just gave me the time to really work on getting my degree completed and into a career I enjoy much better. I can’t understand how anyone in that place had didn’t feel bad taking advantage of those poor people.
Eric, I’m glad that there are people like you–honest and ethical–working in finance. Especially where you live, where it’s so easy to take advantage of the main client pool. I’m glad you do what you do because your site is really informative and helpful.
Thanks Jana! Unfortunately, the elderly are an easy target for scammers and unethical types.
Eric, congratulations! We have spoken couple of times on the boards but I have not had the chance to browse your blog; now after this article I am certainly going to find the time. Respect for your morals and the strength to stand by what you believe in – I wish there were more people like you in the services (and banking) sector. What I regret is that I don’t live in the US: were I there you would have gotten yourself a customer.
Thank you very much Maria. I wouldn’t say it was strength to stand up to them as much as it was my problem with authority and dislike for people who are yes men (so to speak).
thank you for saying that you don’t have to step on people to reach new heights. I find that to be very profound but sparingly used. Also I find when I hand out my business card for the sole purpose of helping (even if I turn a profit) it makes the connection with the individual stronger which in the end of the day makes me feel proud.
You know Jai, I talk a lot about building relationships when it comes to my business, so you mentioning stronger connections tells me that you understand that goal.
Congratulations Eric on your member post. I like your site because of your fearless attitude and willingness to speak the truth, even if some might not like it. This post is what Yakezie is all about.
Thanks John! I just get tired of people saying the same thing, from the same angle, and in the same voice all the time so I’m sure others do on occasion too. I hope sometimes challenging people will cause them to think in ways they never considered.
It is great that you stayed true to your morals and that you brought that to your blog. You and your blog are a great fit for Yakezie.
I appreciate that Andy. Hopefully I’ll prove to be worth the acceptance going forward.
Great story! When I interned at a financial company I felt the same way, and as a result I went into a totally different field. I blog now and love it.
Thanks Robert, it always helps to know that there are others who have had similar experiences.
That was a really good story. In all of my dealings with you, you come across as a very helpful type. Glad that you found Yakezie! Welcome!
I’m only trying my best to reciprocate the helpful attitudes that you and all of the other members have shown to me, LaTisha!
Loved this post. Thanks for going with what you believe.
Glad you enjoyed it! The truth is, I don’t know that I could have respected myself for taking advantage of people in such a way.
This was a great post. It’s so important to have morals and ethics (that you actually stick to)!
I have the same problem…I don’t “sell” things. I build relationships with people, help them as much as I can, and if anything comes out of it, then great!
Thanks for sharing your story! Congrats on making it through the challenge!
Thanks! My business is built on building relationships as opposed to solely on profits. That’s something I learned from this whole experience, and I wouldn’t change a thing at this point.
Welcome to the club! I am glad to be in your company. Thank you for sharing such an interesting post.
Thanks Aloysa. I’m the one who should be glad to be in your company!
A great story.
I think you’re a great salesperson, because as one successful entrepreneur told me: The more product I give away, the more people want to BUY IT.
You genuinely want to help out and people want that guy in their corner.
It’s great when people can understand that some things are more important than money alone!
Eric – it is really great to finally see your member post up here – you’ve been working hard through the challenge and it’s nice to see that you’ve made it. Great story about the bank as well – I had no idea this was exactly how it worked, though I did suspect that banks got something for your new accounts.
Thanks Jeff! Not many people understand how banks really work, and I have to admit, I was humbled to discover just how much I *didn’t* know before I had that experience.
Eric, great post! You have been very helpful to others in the community and it’s great to have you here. Not many of us can say they live by their principle. It’s nice to see that someone is still honorable in the corporate environment. Well, I guess it didn’t work out at that bank, but I’m sure you will do well in a company with integrity.
I didn’t used to be so big on principles Joe, but I guess once you get out into the real world you learn more about yourself and who you want to be. It was certainly a learning experience that’s for sure!
That was a very powerful and personal story. Thank you for sharing. If only more people could stand up to corporate powers and greed like this, we’d all be much better off!
It’s a lot easier considering I was still young, and in school with much better prospects ahead of me. But I would like to think I would still do the same thing if I was put in that same situation today.
Hola Eric,
Congrats on making it into the Network! You’ve always been of great help with your knowledge, and we will surely add you to the Yakezie Blogger Services page.
It’s great you’ve got great ethical standards and won’t compromise. That attitude will get you far in life!
Best, Sam
Thanks for everything Sam!
Congrats, Eric!
Know that I have been reading your tax posts with great interest… even though I’ve already filed! Thanks for telling it like it is…
I like to tell people what they need to hear, not what they want to hear lol. There are still a couple more posts to come before the season is over so stay tuned!
Eric – great story about standing up for your beliefs and choosing being true to the right thing vs. keeping that job. Very cool. Oh, and welcome in :)
Thanks, I can’t say I would have made the same decision a few years earlier, but I really felt good about and don’t regret it at all looking back.
That’s a fantastic approach to life and business. I actually dropped my business major in my first semester of college because I felt like business was “screw people for as much money as you can”. Now I know there are honest business people, and there are used car salesman. I’m glad you chose to be the former.
Thanks Kevin! For some reason all I ever really thought about doing as a realistic job was accounting (I was never going to be a hockey player for the Rangers). There were people in that company who I swear would sell to their own grandmothers if the chance arose. That part just wasn’t for me.
Echo the sentiments above. Great to get to know you a bit better via your member post. Keep up the great writing @ Dollarversity – I enjoy it a lot.
I kind of felt that I needed to be a little more transparent on this post. It’s one thing to express my feeling about money on the blog, but this is something that I felt deserved a little more “me”.
Eric,
The state of banking has not improved in the focus on sales. I too worked at a bank & was able to make it work while sticking to my ethics but it meant working 4X as hard as everyone else. I only dealt with businesses & their owners so I didn’t see the senior abuses first hand.
The problem is that banks are licensing even their tellers to sell investments. Frankly at 20 yrs old, few tellers understand that their products is not good for seniors so they do the wrong thing out of ignorance. Heck, some financial advisers don’t understand the stuff they sell and these are people who have been in the industry for 10yrs or more.
I also dealt with businesses, but found that I wasn’t able to do what I wanted in terms of consulting with them, mostly selling which I hated.
The problem as I saw the industry in that one company was the focus being on profits rather than people, which I despised. If it was a win-win, I don’t think I would have minded as much, but since I felt like it was taking advantage of people who didn’t really know any better, I was not interested.
Excellent story, we need as lot of honest persons in the system. Glad to have you in the team. Welcome to the Delta class. A lot of people don’t know yet that we are almost neighbors
Thanks bud! If you’re close enough to go to a birthday party a few minutes from my house, you’re a neighbor in my book.
Wonderful example of someone understanding their values and living by them. I think you will do well with your business because, at the end of the day, it is the trust we engender in our relationships that brings people back time and again (and turns them in to “Raving Fans” as Ken Blanchard says).
Sometimes I may go a bit overboard with the giving and don’t do enough taking (fees that is), but it’s all good. I’d rather be known for being too generous than being a tight-ass with money/services.
Hi Eric,
Kudos to you for not selling out and taking the high road. And you are probably right about the elderly coming in to the bank to just talk to someone. It is a shame that others did and will take advantage of them. Congrats on becoming a full fledged member!
I’m no saint, but there is I line I won’t cross, and taking advantage of others is on that line! To me that’s one of the lowest things you can do as a person.
Good for you Eric in holding on to your principles! The easy thing to do is compromise. I am still amazed at how many businesses operate as you describe in your story Eric. Treat the customer right and you have them for life. Congratulations on becoming a member Eric!
Thanks Paul. The funny thing was that the money wasn’t enough to even tempt me in the least to compromise. That’s the sad thing–some people will do those things for no real bonus.
I love this post. I was briefly in sales and I did not believe in the product I was selling and felt that no one needed it….I quit on my own.
I hear you! It’s the same for most things, take a blog for example, if you are blogging about a product that you do not feel passionate about or are trying to sell a product that you do not believe is worth while. You may find it really difficult, and find as more of a choir than enjoyable.
I made them fire me so that I could collect the unemployment and concentrate on school at the time, otherwise I would have walked a little while before it actually happened. I can’t see being associated with something I don’t believe in.
It’s way too late for me to be awake because I had to reread your title about five times before I figured out what it said. :) But I like it! I really admire you for doing what you love and for being so helpful to others. I’ve learned a lot from your site!
Would it be mean if I said the title was written to make people stop and think for a second about it? :-)
Welcome. I look forward to getting to know you and your blog better. Good luck!
Thanks! A little good luck never hurt anyone
Awesome to hear you stood up for what you believe in and what’s important, even if it meant losing your job, Eric! Thanks for all your advice over the past months!
It was a crappy job anyway. I pretty much got what I needed from it by the time I was canned, so I was free to spend more time on my studies and get through them quicker.
Its good to have an accountant here at Yakezie. I might also be interested in becoming your client for your tax business. We can talk more at Fincon 2012.
Happy to Tushar! And this time, I’ll get to experience it rather than hearing about it from everyone else.
Very cool post! I enjoyed being on your fall team in Yakezie and am glad we are joining in the same class.
Thank you Marie. I echo those sentiments 1000% :-)
Great post Eric, and welcome to the Yakezie! Admittedly I have not spent much time on your site, but you just convinced me I should add it to my “favorites”:).
Thanks, and no worries Amanda, there are a lot of people who haven’t found the blog yet ;-) Like they say: better late than never!
Glad you are one of the good guys! Interesting to go behind the scenes of the banking industry. I have a better understanding of how we all almost went belly up in the Great Recession. Great story and welcome aboard!
Thanks, Buck. I’m by no means anti-banking, or even anti-(big)banks, but I do have a problem with the idea of smaller banks being the darlings when they can be just as bad. Hmm, maybe I should spin this into an expose-type post.
I worked at a retirement home when I was 16, and seeing some of the residents broke my heart. The elderly are taken advantage of so easily, and I am happy to see that some people have the decency and backbone to not go down that road.
Also, congrats on becoming a member!
Congrats to you too Marissa. I know how you felt. I always felt bad pushing them along, even if it was due to the fact that there were other people in line and I had a job to do. If anyone would just stop to think about how they would feel if it was their own relatives, I’m sure many would not be so horrible towards them (although some people are simply psychopaths who can’t be helped at all)
Thanks for a great share! It is so true what you shared about not needing to step on people to “reach new heights.” The old adage “there is plenty of room at the top” still rings true. It also ties in nicely with “the more you give, the more you receive.”
I work in finance, so I understand your sentiment. I admire you for your high moral standards. Our chief aim on this earth is to be happy, and one can’t be happy by selling his soul.
Selling just isn’t my thing. I can’t be happy if my job was selling anything, much less my soul!
Great story Eric. Many of my friends have worked at banks and have told me the same story about the banking culture. :( Great job sticking to your values, I was in a similar situation and made the same decision that you did. Welcome to Yakezie.
Thanks Mary! I’m just glad I didn’t have my mortgage or other responsibilities back then or I could have been screwed.
Hi Eric,
Props to you for standing up for your convictions and morals! The world needs more people like you. Welcome to the Yakezie. :)
I’m not sure the world an handle many more of me. I know for sure my parent’s can’t!