There once was a time when no comment system existed. You’d just go to a site, read the post, and leave your Name, E-mail, and URL address (optional) to leave a comment. If your browser was smart enough, it would remember all your details so you could go directly into leaving another comment instead of re-typing all your information with every visit.
Nowadays, comment systems like DISQUS are taking over. In order to comment via Facebook, Twitter, Google+, or whatever, you’ve got to first register with DISQUS, allow them to access all your contact information, set up a password, and then comment. Who is to say you have a FB, Twitter, Google+ account in the first place? I registered for DISQUS a while ago, but I don’t recall my password and I can’t be bothered to change it.
Every time I stumble across a site with a DISQUS comment system, I no longer comment anymore. Some sites smartly allow one to leave a comment as a guest commenter without registering, but most sites with DISQUS don’t allow for guest commenting, so I stopped trying.
I also registered for another commenting system a while back called LiveFyre. But over the years, I hardly ever see the LiveFyre commenting system installed anymore. What happened to them? My concern is that I have to keep on registering for these new comment systems, and because many aren’t profitable, they end up not lasting for the long term. Therefore, why continue registering for ever more commenting systems that access your personal data only for them to likely disappear?
I long for the good old days to return because I like to interact more with the community through comments on the publisher’s platform.
YOUR COMMENT SYSTEM HURTS DISCUSSION
DISQUS is a smart idea where they get publishers and commenters to register into their database of communities for discussion. They then generate and share revenue with publishers from endemic advertising products that are based on promoted discovery and engagement opportunities within the community discussions DISQUS powers. This is great for DISQUS and potentially for you as a publisher to generate an alternative income stream, but adding this barrier stunts discussion.
Besides putting up a wall that forces a commenter to register, here are some other reasons why I think comment systems stunts discussion:
1) Given I have a consulting job, I use my work computer for a little more than half the time I’m on the computer. Given this is a work computer, I’ve set up work related accounts, separate from my personal accounts. With commenting systems, now I have to keep track of two accounts if I want to comment using a comment system. With all the things I’ve got to do for work, keeping track of another account for commenting is the last thing I want to deal with. I’m sure some of you have a personal and a work computers as well.
2) The link back is obscured. During the few times that I successfully left a comment system comment, the link back was to my comment system profile and not to my website. It doesn’t make sense that if I left the comment, DISQUS would get the traffic if a curious webmaster or fellow comment reader wanted to learn more about me. Part of my goal of leaving a comment is to build more direct relationships with other people. It’s much harder to do if there’s a layer between you and other people.
3) I believe comments should be as unmolested as possible by advertising. Relevant links within the comments section are fine. But if commenters start getting constantly pinged with advertisement, that feels off. Intuitively, your comment activity will decline with a worse user experience. The best user experience is 0 advertising, but we know this isn’t possible since nobody works for free, forever.
YOUR COMMENTS ARE VERY IMPORTANT FOR GROWTH
More comments are better than less because:
1) You feel better knowing someone is reading your work. When you feel better about your work, you write more. When you write more, you increase your chances of survival. Half the battle of creating a successful blog is sticking with a publishing schedule for a long enough period of time. The Yakezie Challenge was set at six months because I felt if you could stick with writing 2-4X a week for six months, there was an extremely high likelihood that you would last a year because you wouldn’t want to throw away all your previous hard work.
2) When you have more comments, you build more relationships. Perhaps most will be with other bloggers at first, which is great because they can help spread your good word. But you might also build great relationships with non blogging readers as well who could lead to friendships or future consulting clients. Once you have more relationships, you are more emboldened to keep on going because you have more people rooting for you.
3) You have another avenue to generate more content via the Comment Commentary System where you highlight fantastic comments on your site in a new post and comment on the commentary. This strategy, in turn generates even more traffic and comments.
4) Your posts builds search engine power. I’m sure everybody has searched for something before online where Google has found your keywords in the comment of a post, and not the post itself. The same thing happens when you build a forum, like the one here at Yakezie. Search engines pick up great content in the comments section all the time. I’ve got old posts that continue to rank extremely well in search because there continues to be robust comments e.g. Average 401k Balance written two years ago, but since updated this year.
5) New comments create newness to your old posts. Here’s a very interesting scenario which I’d like everybody to think about. Not only are comments always relevant and keyword rich to your post which help with search, they act as a signal to show the search engines that something new is going on with your old post. So instead of having to constantly update your post if it’s not written in an evergreen way, your new comments ,which bring in search traffic on its own will help automatically help refresh your posts for you!
BARRIERS CREATE INACTIVITY
The more barriers you put up, the less activity there will be. There’s the case of putting up a barrier for non registered users and then there’s another case of putting up a barrier for search engines. Not everybody wants to register via Facebook because they want to keep their Facebook activity separate from all other activity. Not everybody has a DISQUS or Livefyre account, or whatever other commenting system account. And not everybody can keep track of all their accounts across all different devices while they are on the go.
The more simple you make your comment system, the better it will be for everyone. If you want to generate revenue from your site, then focus on writing terrific content which you can monetize in the content section. Leave the comment section as pure as possible please.
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Very well said, Sam, and this is a pet peeve of mine as well. I will begrudgingly leave a quote on some Disqus based blogs, but many times I will just leave. I’ve always committed to allowing for easy commenting, I think it’s a matter of consideration for the readers of the blog, where many commenting systems are put in place with the primary benefit being the blog owner.
My big ‘refusal’ is that if a blog owner only publishes a partial RSS feed, I will immediately unsubscribe. Again, here the blog owners interests (in this case, more clicks) are being put ahead of the interests of the readers.
I suppose everybody has their ‘trigger’.
The partial RSS feeds aren’t the greatest, but I do believe it may very well reduce the community building efforts.
I do want to hear from folks who use Comment Systems for commenting as I’d like to hear a different perspective as to why.
My experience is that once you join, your profile comes up for every site that uses Discus, as an example. I do kind of like the Commentluv tool, because it links the person’s last post, which I think is kind of cool. Sometimes you have to re-enter your info every time, which you can do easily when your browser remembers your past entries. I used to think even this was a pain, but now I don’t mind as much because I read recently that you should change your name periodically or have different variations of your name when you comment. Source: CNA Finance blog.
I was actually thinking the same points about Livefyre. I can’t stand when a blog uses Livefyre (or makes you enter a CAPTCHA) to leave a comment. DISQUS is inconvenient but I manage. I appreciate Comment LUV because you get a link back to your post (even if it is nofollow).
I do agree – making things hard on your readers (even if you don’t know you are) is not any kind of a good long term strategy you want to have.
I appreciate Comment Luv as well and use to have it on FS until it stopped working. The commenter’s posts stopped showing up.
I can’t read the CAPTCHA codes about 10% of the time, which his also maddening. Just use the check box folks!
I hated DISQUS for a long time – but now I use it on my site and I’m a fan. First, I do enable guest commenting so you can comment with just your name and email address without having to create an account (just like the basic WordPress account). After using it for about 3 months now, I’ve also found my comments have increased about 50%. I think people like it because it notifies them of responses better to their comment (which I try to respond often), and it has a scoring system where top comments get pushed to the top.
Second, DISQUS has a “related posts” feature built in, which works really well. I get about 10-20 visitors a day click through the related posts with the DISQUS comments, even if they don’t comment.
Finally, my spam comments have gone to 1 a week. It’s really good at weeding out spam.
Good to know Robert. Any speed issues you experience with a comment system?
I hope all Comment System users enable the guest commenting option.
No speed issues I’ve experienced yet, and load time has been a huge focus for me this year. I’m consistently getting load times below 1 second in the US.
I don’t like comment systems either and like you I just skip to the next blog without commenting whenever I see them. I’m not going to jump through hoops just to leave a comment.
And let it be know that yakezie.com’s comment system is very buggy too. But at least no registration is needed.
I’ve tried IntenseDebate and DISQUS, and decided to dump both of them and just go with the built-in WordPress version with the Facebook/Twitter sign in options enabled via Jetpack. I find that it helps everyone comment easily and fosters the conversation.
Ah yes, I forgot about intensedebate. So many. Not sure how they are all going to survive and become operating profit positive.
Totally in agreement with you about Disqus (in particular). Not only is registering to comment incredibly annoying but more often than not for some reason I find it won’t accept my (valid) login details for some reason. I now no longer bother trying to comment on any blog trying to use non-native comment systems.
Same thing happens to me, so I give up.
Path of least resistance when you’re a busy person.
I totally agree. I bail if I have to through hoops to comment…and if the blog has Comment Luv I always leave a thoughtful comment!
I’m in complete agreement with you, Sam. I thought about “upgrading” to Disqus, but found that as a user, it can be a pain in the butt. Also, if someone is using a cookie, tracker blocker, they won’t even see the comment section! Needless to say, that just prevents people from being able to easily comment.
Interesting. Didn’t realize the blockers could do that.
I can’t stand comment systems! They make no sense to me! Thanks for keeping it simple.
Good stuff Sam! I don’t deny that DISQUS creates a hoop to jump through. If I recall correctly, that was one of the selling points I read about when I researched commenting systems several years ago. The idea was that it creates better types of conversations because only those that truly want to comment register.
I’ve only ever used DISQUS so I don’t have a basis for comparison. How do we really know that it limits conversation? My comments are tracking higher this year. Everyone here seems to be anti-DISQUS but this is really anecdotal evidence. I’ve been to big time sites who use the DISQUS system and have hundreds of comments on posts. So is it the system or something else?
Seems like there are more important components that draw people to read and then comment: good post titles, quality content, drawing out emotion, asking leading questions at the end of the post (that last one is huge for me). Plus, I’ve found the more I interact with others the more they interact with me.
I’m not defending DISQUS here. I think trashing a whole system based mostly on the fact that readers don’t want to register doesn’t seem right. It’s not that difficult a thing to do.
And when I start my next website in a year or so, I’ll go with the standard WordPress commenting system just so that I can see the difference. Maybe I’ll get a different take on it then. In the meantime, everyone here is welcome to come fill out a DISQUS registration on my site and comment. Would love to have you! :)
Brian, I’m glad Disqus works for you.
I’m not saying the only reason why I don’t like a comment system is because I have to register. There are many other points as I mention in the post. And as another commenter pointed out, the system often fails to keep the data cached once you register so the pain sometimes continues.
My feedback is 100% based on observing my own actions. I used to be a prolific commenter. But the emergence of comment systems have culled my activity, which might be for the best as I’ve focused that time spent more on building my site’s own community.
I want to own my own comments that I created. And I’m impressed Disqus and others have convinced other people to give their comments to their system and allow them to profit. User generated content is the holy grail for businesses.
I see both positive and negative with DISQUS… I don’t like the registering, I also don’t like how it doesn’t link directly to my site, sometimes it links to twitter or something… Maybe I just don’t understand it enough and I don’t want to take the time to figure out how to properly set it up.
There have been a few times where I did get a weekly digest from DISQUS that had a popular post that I missed. It was an interesting article that I did enjoy so DISQUS did me a solid there.
I am on blogger which everyone seems to dislike but when I started that was something I was familiar with in the past and really easy to start. Anyways, I don’t have the option of something like DISQUS but if I did, I wouldn’t use it.
Why do you say you are a blogger that everyone seems to dislike? I don’t dislike you :)
I didn’t mean to say people dislike me, I meant that I am on the blogger platform, not wordpress. It appears that everyone loves the wordpress platform over blogger.
If people dislike me then that’s their fault not mine :)
Ah, makes sense now. Yeah, the blogger platform is kinda becoming a relic. Consider switching at some point. But if not, you can certainly still grow your site strongly.
I can’t stand Discus and Livefyre. Even though I registered for Discus I’ve run into may issues where it won’t take the login and doesn’t let me comment. That is SO annoying so i refuse to try any more. I agree with all your points Sam!
I hate commenting systems. DISQUS is probably the least bad of the bunch. Livefyre won’t even LET me comment!
Now social media sites are getting in on the act. Facebook and Google+ both have commenting systems and I absolutely will NOT comment on a site that uses thembecause even with the option to not share my comment on my profile, they seem to do so anyway! Not every blog I read is something I won’t to share with my mother.
They are very smart to develop their own systems. The more they can own of your content without having to produce the content, the larger they will grown.
I don’t comment on any site that has these systems in place. All my blogs are using the regular wordpress comment system and it’s always done a great job.
Thankfully, I have only experienced occasional instances where I have difficulty leaving a comment. Often, the system makes it difficult to register or other obstacles and I just give up. It reminds me of the doorman at a disco, only the cool kids got in!
Amen! I have enough passwords in my life, I don’t need to try and remember another one just to leave a comment on a blog post. Nothing against the blog owners, but I don’t comment on sites that use these kinds of systems.
I am so glad you wrote this post! I find those comment requirements really frustrating. I will only register to comment on blogs that I really love, because otherwise I don’t think it’s worth it.
I hate comment systems! I have profiles for Disqus and Livefyre, but most of the time when I’m considering leaving a comment, I’ll leave the site rather than going through the trouble of logging in to whatever system. And yet, I’m using Disqus on one of my own blogs because without it, I get huge amounts of spam. It’s hard to tell if it’s inhibiting conversation there because I don’t think there would be many comments even with the default WP system.
I was wondering about comment systems and what the consensus was now days. Back in 2009 I was a PF blogger and part of the Yakezie network when it was getting started. I’m so glad to see it is still growing stronger than ever!
I eventually sold my blog because I wasn’t in a position to keep up with it, but I’m back with a new blog and new name! So much has changed in the blogging world in the last 4 years! It used to be everyone ran CommentLuv…it was the first plug-in I installed…but I’m not seeing it around as much….so I’m really thinking about removing it.
Also ~ I used to just have FB and Twitter….now I’m evaluating rather I need Pinterest, Instagram, and/or Google+
One thing that has stayed the same is the importance of building a community. So that is what I’m focusing on first.
[…] some time now I’ve been reading about the debate over whether third-party comment systems like DISQUS are effective. As with any system there are pros and cons to using them. The two big drawbacks seem […]
“BARRIERS CREATE INACTIVITY” you are absolutely right. People have no time to register for yet another useless account. I prefer the WordPress commenting system simple name, email, url.
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The #1 reason I use Disqus is because of the ease of comment moderation via email. I drive a truck for my day job, and I can easily moderate comments by email as they come in. Simply reply to the email and it automatically posts it as a reply on my site within Disqus. I can reply with a one word email, (Approve, Delete, or Spam) if a comment is held in moderation due to suspected spam – and Disqus takes care of it from there.
Also – using Disqus alongside Akismet, my comment spam is virtually non-existant. I almost never get the boring or thoughtless comments from people who are ONLY looking for a link back to their site. With that being said, I do wish that clicking on their name in my comments would lead back to their site rather than Disqus. Or I wish I could use CommentLuv in conjunction, but unfortunately neither of those are possible at this time with Disqus.
I didn’t even realize there was a setting for allowing guests. Been a long time since I looked at my settings. I think I have it enabled, but I’m going to go check and make sure right now. Thanks for the heads up on that…
Good Day!
Add me to the club of folks who dislike Disqus. I hate jumping through hoops so that I can comment on a post and I worry about security.
I’ve been using Postmatic on my blog as an alternative for comments – http://wordpress.org/plugins/postmatic. Folks seem to be responding well to the ability to respond to posts via Email.
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